Brady: I wouldn't have had the success I've had without Bill

[ashley]

Good video below...Tom talking about how much he learned from Bill and how important he was to his development. Both Bill and Tom are saying the right things......

I think its safe to say that they both benefited from each other. Hopefully, we can all agree on that.

 

[sb1]

For sure.

But I think Brady likely wins rings with a lot of good coaches like say Reid or even Pete. He did win one with Arians.

I’d say he could even win one with a lesser HC. Peyton Manning took Jim Caldwell to a SB so I’m sure Brady could have done the same. Caldwell is not really a good HC.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The mediots will ignore what Brady himself says about this:

“I think it’s a pretty sh—y argument actually, that people would say that,” Brady said when told that players deserve more credit than the coach. “Because I can’t do his job and he can’t do mine. The fact that you could say, would I be successful without him, the same level of success? I don’t believe I would have been.

“I feel the same vice-versa as well,” Brady continued. “To have him allowed me to be the best I could be. So I’m grateful for that. And I very much believe he feels the same way about me, because we’ve expressed that to each other.”

 

[Rob0729]

Good video below...Tom talking about how much he learned from Bill and how important he was to his development. Both Bill and Tom are saying the right things......

I think its safe to say that they both benefited from each other. Hopefully, we can all agree on that.

Coaches cannot teach talent. What they can do is put players with talent in the best situation to maximize the talent. That is what Belichick did with Brady. Brady had the talent and Belichick nurtured it.

And let's face it, there is a chance that if Brady ended up on another team that he might not have even made it into the NFL or just languished on a team's practice squad for a few years and exited the league. In 2000, Belichick saw the talent in him and decided to keep a fourth QB that year to keep him on the roster, but another head coach may not have seen that talent and let him squander it.

 

[ashley]

For sure. But Brady likely wins rings with a lot of good coaches like say Reid or even Pete. He did win one with Arians.

I’d say he could even win one with a lesser HC. Peyton Manning took Jim Caldwell to a SB so I’m sure Brady could have done the same. Caldwell is not really a good HC.

My biggest point is that both benefited from having each other and we should all be thankful that the relationship that lasted for 20 years. As fans, we truly have seen something special, probably something we'll never see again.

 

[ashley]

Pretty much my thoughts exactly...lol

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Coaches cannot teach talent.

Depends on how broadly you define talent. Brady grew a ton of football and QB skills he did not have in 2000.

 

[Wozzy]

Depends on how broadly you define talent. Brady grew a ton of football and QB skills he did not have in 2000.

And grew literally, he weighed 211 pounds of flab exiting college, and now weighs 220-225 muscle after their strength and conditioning program worked their magic.

 

[Rob0729]

Depends on how broadly you define talent. Brady grew a ton of football and QB skills he did not have in 2000.

Again, Brady had the talent. Belichick just helped him tool his body and gave him the experience and teachings to maximize it. Belichick cannot coach a person's reaction time or his accuracy. He can help the player get their maximum ability out of those things, but that talent still has to be there.

If talent was coachable, Belichick could crank out another Tom Brady every few years.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Again, Brady had the talent. Belichick just helped him tool his body and gave him the experience and teachings to maximize it. Belichick cannot coach a person's reaction time or his accuracy. He can help the player get their maximum ability out of those things, but that talent still has to be there.

If talent was coachable, Belichick could crank out another Tom Brady every few years.

It's semantics. Maybe what you mean is 'potential'. Because the 2000 and 2001 player was not even the same QB that developed and improved annually when you look at 2003/2004 Brady or 2010 Brady.

Not every player can become great but I do think BB could find and develop another one (like Mac)
.

 

[Rob0729]

It's semantics. Maybe what you mean is 'potential'. Because the 2000 and 2001 player was not even the same QB that developed and improved annually when you look at 2003/2004 Brady or 2010 Brady.

Not every player can become great but I do think BB could find and develop another one (like Mac)
.

I am saying you can coach up talent, you cannot teach it. Either you have the talent or not. Of course Brady wouldn't have been Brady without coaching. He needed the help of trainers and coaches to reach his maximum potential. He had even outside coaching like Tom House and other throwing coaches.

Only players who come into the league a finished product, don't need coaching to reach their maximum potential. But even then, they go the coaching at a lower level.

 

[oldrover]

IMHO, Belichick was able to focus and direct Tom's talent in a way that allowed him to grow and develop as a quarterback.

However, the one thing NO coach can really coach up is DESIRE. And Tom would have had that DESIRE regardless.

Would it have gotten him to the same heights, without Bill? Probably not.

But it's a QB league... if the 199th hadn't happened, and Tom was drafted by someone else, or was even a UDFA, eventually Tom would have had the opportunity. And he would have made the most of it... whatever that was.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

IMHO, Belichick was able to focus and direct Tom's talent in a way that allowed him to grow and develop as a quarterback.

However, the one thing NO coach can really coach up is DESIRE. And Tom would have had that DESIRE regardless.

Would it have gotten him to the same heights, without Bill? Probably not.

But it's a QB league... if the 199th hadn't happened, and Tom was drafted by someone else, or was even a UFA, eventually Tom would have had the opportunity. And he would have made the most of it... whatever that was.

In a way I agree. Kurt Warner went from bagging groceries to being found. Without BB for Tom he would have been a journeyman and possibly discovered in his mid to late 20's after being cut a couple times. Unless you can name a coach and situation in 2000/2001 where a different HC would have played a nobody-QB who split QB snaps in college.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

My biggest point is that both benefited from having each other and we should all be thankful that the relationship that lasted for 20 years. As fans, we truly have seen something special, probably something we'll never see again.

The Bradyites don't want to respect Bill though. For some reason, they think giving Bill a lot of credit means detracting from Brady, which it doesn't. In their view, Brady single handidly won 6 super bowls and everyone else was there for the ride. It's basically superhero worship.

 

[Tony2046]

The Bradyites don't want to respect Bill though. For some reason, they think giving Bill a lot of credit means detracting from Brady, which it doesn't. In their view, Brady single handidly won 6 super bowls and everyone else was there for the ride. It's basically superhero worship.

You cannot find a quote from anyone saying anything close to that bunch of BS so you'd rather elaborate.

Actually it's you, the Belichick-ite, that bashes Brady like a princess left at the alter.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Coaches cannot teach talent. What they can do is put players with talent in the best situation to maximize the talent. That is what Belichick did with Brady. Brady had the talent and Belichick nurtured it.

And let's face it, there is a chance that if Brady ended up on another team that he might not have even made it into the NFL or just languished on a team's practice squad for a few years and exited the league. In 2000, Belichick saw the talent in him and decided to keep a fourth QB that year to keep him on the roster, but another head coach may not have seen that talent and let him squander it.

Brady also did the work and got his chance.

Plenty of guys get drafted and do nothing. Some are very talented. Others not so much. Talent isn't enough in football.

And let's be honest. Bill Belichick is likely unemployed if Mo Lewis doesn't happen. I researched and Bill told Jets employees coaches were putting their house on the market. Then fate struck.

In the end, it's moot. Brady did happen. Best HC/QB combo in history.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

I think what they've accomplished is incredible. 9 SB trips. 6 wins.

Maybe both would win one or two without one another. Obviously Brady has. But 6? Unlikely.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady also did the work and got his chance.

Plenty of guys get drafted and do nothing. Some are very talented. Others not so much. Talent isn't enough in football.

And let's be honest. Bill Belichick is likely unemployed if Mo Lewis doesn't happen. I researched and Bill told Jets employees coaches were putting their house on the market. Then fate struck.

In the end, it's moot. Brady did happen. Best HC/QB combo in history.

Well, Belichick was given Bledsoe. I don’t think he wanted him, but what choice did he have? I think he might have benched Brady at some point that season, but the Pats won mostly on defense that year. So he might have at least got to the playoffs with Bledsoe.

But the Pats had a lot of luck and breaks in 2001 beyond either Brady or Belichick. They were both fortunate they found each other.

 

[Tony2046]

Brady also did the work and got his chance.

Plenty of guys get drafted and do nothing. Some are very talented. Others not so much. Talent isn't enough in football.

And let's be honest. Bill Belichick is likely unemployed if Mo Lewis doesn't happen. I researched and Bill told Jets employees coaches were putting their house on the market. Then fate struck.

In the end, it's moot. Brady did happen. Best HC/QB combo in history.

I disagree. BB carried Brady as a fourth QB. He recognized something. It was only a matter of time before he benched Bledsoe. Moe just expedited the decision.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I researched and Bill told Jets employees coaches were putting their house on the market. Then fate struck.

You’re on the right track. Assistant Coaches with the Pats were panicking and thought the entire Coaching staff (including Bill) were going to get canned after the 0-2 start.