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18 years....nearly 2 decades. Sure you can count a single year of Mitchell, but I omit him because everybody knew of his bad knees. 18 years of futility when it comes to drafting WRs.
Not an area of focus. This is obvious to everyone...except you and NG. If they drafted WRs in the 1st and 2rd rd every year you might have a case but you don't and are trolling.
 
Harry is going to have a break out season this year if the game is played. No more of Brady destroying the guys that BB drafts.......Harry is a Jerry Rice / Anquan Boldin hybrid

problem was that Brady can't get it done with that kind of WR.......

Stidham changes everything......just watch
 
Since I was told to check out the Cincy game, I did. Here are Brady's incompletions. At no point in time was Harry appreciably open and Brady just looks away from him...

Q1 14:57: Brady goes to Sanu on the crosser. Harry is at the top of the screen. Ball is released as Sanu shakes his man from the pick. Corner is in Harry's hip pocket with a safety (out of view) coming across to take Harry on the 9-route. Harry is not open.

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Q1 11:56: Brady incomplete to Edelman. Harry is not even on the field. Burkhead shakes loose at the last minute but Edelman was the first read on this one and the ball is already out of Brady's hand.

Q1 5:30: White is the first read here, and is open. Brady unloads the ball and White drops it. Harry, running a short crosser and at the bottom of the screen, appears to be the last read on this play.

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Q1 5:27: Edelman open but in traffic, pass is thrown low and away. Neither Dorsett nor Sanu is open. Edelman also appears to be the first read. Harry is not even on the field.

Q1 0:14: Brady incomplete to Michel. Nobody open on this play. Harry is not even on the field.

Q2 13:14: Brady incomplete to Sanu. Sanu draws the FS while Harry is lined up right off the LOS. Harry chips the end before being well covered in the flats. Very half-assed out, probably because he knows the ball is already going to be released when he turns to look for it. Nevertheless, he is not open. Sanu, at the top of the screen, is open. Second note, prior to this, Brady had hit Harry on a 36 yard go route in which he did not have separation in the least, but the safety was late to help. Harry caught it, but Edelman with a false start wiped out the gain.

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Q2 11:29: Edelman on the quick hitch is the first read. Finds the soft spot in the zone but is doubled. Brady is flushed out of the pocket and wings it to Sanu out of bounds. Harry is not even on the field.

Q2 11:24: Harry is on the bottom of the screen running a go route. Sanu runs a pretty ugly slant, but has single coverage. Brady fits the ball in well, but the ball bounces off of Sanu's hands and falls incomplete. CB is in Harry's hip pocket. He is not open.

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Q2 4:41: Harry is in the slot and simply releases into the flats as the safety valve. Edelman is the primary read here, running a slant, and he's open. He's just not able to get to the spot he needs to quickly enough (likely a play impacted by injury) and the ball bounces off his hands. Harry would not have gone anywhere on this one while Edelman would have had a first down.

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Q2 4:38: Pass is incomplete to Harry. I'll highlight the whole field here to show you what Brady sees. Harry is the correct read. He's one on one with Webb. But there is NO separation here whatsoever. This is actually what I'm talking about when I say that Harry needs to use his body more to get open. He gets about 5 yards deep into his route and actually tries to push off Webb by extending his arms. The problem is that he can't disengage so when cuts back inside on the slant, Webb is still on top of him. Ball is broken up. Though it looks like it, Edelman is not open here by the time Brady releases the ball.

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Q2 0:59: DB is not fooled at all by the out and up and is on Harry like stink on ****. Very lazy route here again. Brady freezes the FS by looking him off enough for Sanu to get open on the go route but he either can't get to the spot in time or the throw is off and the ball lands in the end zone. Harry is not open in the least.

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That's the first half, @Nunchucks. Suffice it to say that I'm not sure what the hell you were looking at here. I watched the second half as well but I'm working and didn't feel the need to put the time in to take screen shots and detail what I was seeing. But it was more of the same. If you have a particular play in the second half that you'd like me to look at and analyze, but all means, provide the quarter and time and I'll be happy to look at it. I also didn't feel the need to look at completed passes (since the end result of the play is positive) so there is a chance I missed something there. Again, I'll be happy to look. But at this point, I've done your job for you and have gone out of the way to break down a half. So now it's on you or @Sliplady.

And it should be said that, now that Brady is gone, I hope you both are right. I'd love a reason to feel better about Harry. But I haven't seen where Brady outright froze him out to date, as you've claimed.
 
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After nearly two decades of futility as it relates to drafting a quality non-QB-convert WR, it may be time to officially claim the Patriots scouts/coaches suck at evaluating college WR talent. Then again, maybe not...maybe we should wait nearly three decades for that.

You can wait forever and you won't prove anything if you don't do a comparative analysis.
 
I didn't even want to get into replicates and measuring error. Even without introducing those aspects it is laughable to me to argue over 0.04 seconds.

Laugh at the league then man, not me. Maybe you are right and they're all wrong.
 
You can wait forever and you won't prove anything if you don't do a comparative analysis.

How about this for a comparative analysis?

Patriots WRs drafted in the last 10 years (you can adjust the time frame any way you'd like) still on active NFL rosters vs WRs drafted in the last 10 years not on active NFL rosters.

Hint: It won't take you long.
 
How about this for a comparative analysis?

Patriots WRs drafted in the last 10 years (you can adjust the time frame any way you'd like) still on active NFL rosters vs WRs drafted in the last 10 years not on active NFL rosters.

Hint: It won't take you long.
Comparative analysis over last 10 years.

Patriots 9 picks - 2 players on an NFL roster. Average draft round- 5th
Steelers- 14 picks - 4 players on NFL roster. Average draft round- 3rd

Ave career length of 5th rounder since 1996- 3.8 years
Aver career length of 3rd rounder since 1996 - 5.5 years

You still don't get it. Troll.
 
Comparative analysis over last 10 years.

Patriots 9 picks - 2 players on an NFL roster. Average draft round- 5th
Steelers- 14 picks - 4 players on NFL roster. Average draft round- 3rd

Ave career length of 5th rounder since 1996- 3.8 years
Aver career length of 3rd rounder since 1996 - 5.5 years

You still don't get it. Troll.


Considering most teams only have 3 quality WRs (at most) on an NFL roster, those differences seem fairly significant.

Twice as many WRs with an avg career length 30+% longer. Considering they're all pulling WRs from the same pool of players, I think you've made my point.
 
Considering most teams only have 3 quality WRs (at most) on an NFL roster, those differences seem fairly significant.

Twice as many WRs with an avg career length 30+% longer. Considering they're all pulling WRs from the same pool of players, I think you've made my point.
No. If a player is good, they stay in the league, If they aren't they are gone.

Again...draft status and volume of picks is the indicator here.

You just don't want to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your argument.
 
Here’s a recap of this thread:

“Player A has similar attributes to Harry“

“BB can’t draft wide receivers“

“Harry was wide open all the time but Brady refuses to throw to him”
 
Since I was told to check out the Cincy game, I did. Here are Brady's incompletions. At no point in time was Harry appreciably open and Brady just looks away from him...

Q1 14:57: Brady goes to Sanu on the crosser. Harry is at the top of the screen. Ball is released as Sanu shakes his man from the pick. Corner is in Harry's hip pocket with a safety (out of view) coming across to take Harry on the 9-route. Harry is not open.

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Q1 11:56: Brady incomplete to Edelman. Harry is not even on the field. Burkhead shakes loose at the last minute but Edelman was the first read on this one and the ball is already out of Brady's hand.

Q1 5:30: White is the first read here, and is open. Brady unloads the ball and White drops it. Harry, running a short crosser and at the bottom of the screen, appears to be the last read on this play.

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Q1 5:27: Edelman open but in traffic, pass is thrown low and away. Neither Dorsett nor Sanu is open. Edelman also appears to be the first read. Harry is not even on the field.

Q1 0:14: Brady incomplete to Michel. Nobody open on this play. Harry is not even on the field.

Q2 13:14: Brady incomplete to Sanu. Sanu draws the FS while Harry is lined up right off the LOS. Harry chips the end before being well covered in the flats. Very half-assed out, probably because he knows the ball is already going to be released when he turns to look for it. Nevertheless, he is not open. Sanu, at the top of the screen, is open. Second note, prior to this, Brady had hit Harry on a 36 yard go route in which he did not have separation in the least, but the safety was late to help. Harry caught it, but Edelman with a false start wiped out the gain.

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Q2 11:29: Edelman on the quick hitch is the first read. Finds the soft spot in the zone but is doubled. Brady is flushed out of the pocket and wings it to Sanu out of bounds. Harry is not even on the field.

Q2 11:24: Harry is on the bottom of the screen running a go route. Sanu runs a pretty ugly slant, but has single coverage. Brady fits the ball in well, but the ball bounces off of Sanu's hands and falls incomplete. CB is in Harry's hip pocket. He is not open.

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Q2 4:41: Harry is in the slot and simply releases into the flats as the safety valve. Edelman is the primary read here, running a slant, and he's open. He's just not able to get to the spot he needs to quickly enough (likely a play impacted by injury) and the ball bounces off his hands. Harry would not have gone anywhere on this one while Edelman would have had a first down.

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Q2 4:38: Pass is incomplete to Harry. I'll highlight the whole field here to show you what Brady sees. Harry is the correct read. He's one on one with Webb. But there is NO separation here whatsoever. This is actually what I'm talking about when I say that Harry needs to use his body more to get open. He gets about 5 yards deep into his route and actually tries to push off Webb by extending his arms. The problem is that he can't disengage so when cuts back inside on the slant, Webb is still on top of him. Ball is broken up. Though it looks like it, Edelman is not open here by the time Brady releases the ball.

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Q2 0:59: DB is not fooled at all by the out and up and is on Harry like stink on ****. Very lazy route here again. Brady freezes the FS by looking him off enough for Sanu to get open on the go route but he either can't get to the spot in time or the throw is off and the ball lands in the end zone. Harry is not open in the least.

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That's the first half, @Nunchucks. Suffice it to say that I'm not sure what the hell you were looking at here. I watched the second half as well but I'm working and didn't feel the need to put the time in to take screen shots and detail what I was seeing. But it was more of the same. If you have a particular play in the second half that you'd like me to look at and analyze, but all means, provide the quarter and time and I'll be happy to look at it. I also didn't feel the need to look at completed passes (since the end result of the play is positive) so there is a chance I missed something there. Again, I'll be happy to look. But at this point, I've done your job for you and have gone out of the way to break down a half. So now it's on you or @Sliplady.

And it should be said that, now that Brady is gone, I hope you both are right. I'd love a reason to feel better about Harry. But I haven't seen where Brady outright froze him out to date, as you've claimed.
I very much appreciate work you put in and I am sure you are now enjoying the game pass features. Harry has maybe 2 or 3 plays where is us pretty open....some plays where he is singled up and others where he is doubled with a deep safety. You will get to the one where it was shocking how open he was...starts on left has and runs an a mid range crosser
 
I very much appreciate work you put in and I am sure you are now enjoying the game pass features. Harry has maybe 2 or 3 plays where is us pretty open....some plays where he is singled up and others where he is doubled with a deep safety. You will get to the one where it was shocking how open he was...starts on left has and runs an a mid range crosser
Can you tell me quarter and time?
 
No. If a player is good, they stay in the league, If they aren't they are gone.

Again...draft status and volume of picks is the indicator here.

You just don't want to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your argument.


And the Steelers' players "stay in the league" 30% more than ours? Your argument?

The sad part is you took some time to do your research, and it was easy enough to shoot down in 5 seconds.
 
And the Steelers' players "stay in the league" 30% more than ours? Your argument?

The sad part is you took some time to do your research, and it was easy enough to shoot down in 5 seconds.
I enjoy refuting your ********.

Squealers are an insecure franchise.

NE is not hence they get rid of players quickly.

Ex: James Washington would never play a snap here b/c he freelances which is why NE puts a lot more scrutiny on scouting and little things like route-running than other teams which disqualifies a multitude of players in the draft from playing here.
 
I enjoy refuting your ********.

Squealers are an insecure franchise.

NE is not hence they get rid of players quickly.

James Washington would never play a snap here b/c he freelances

Yeah, at least N'Keal Harry doesn't freelance. He may not be able to get open or do anything productive, but he goes where he's supposed to. It may just take him 3 hours to get there.
 
Yeah I’d be pretty miserable too if I had to live in Iowa. What an absolute dump.
 
Sanu runs a pretty ugly slant, but has single coverage. Brady fits the ball in well, but the ball bounces off of Sanu's hands and falls incomplete. CB is in Harry's hip pocket. He is not open.

Man, reading that post felt like reading the detailed plot of a Saw movie.
 
Man, reading that post felt like reading the detailed plot of a Saw movie.
I have good taste in movies so you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t get the reference. ;)
 
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