Coronavirus RESPECTFUL Discussion Only! (Mod edit: Closed)

[BUSTAMOVE]

If I captured Goodell, I'd bind him to a kitchen table chair and force him to watch perpetual loops of Kate Smith singing "God Bless America" and Richard Simmons workout loops...

Sweating with the Oldies makes water boarding docile

 

[Tunescribe]

We were all supposed to be drowned by rising sea levels in 2012....

According to Mayan prophecy. Sweated that one out, did you?

 

[Kdo5]

FWIW, Harvard’s Director of Communicable Disease Dynamics doesn’t think warm weather will do anything.

Yeah I’ve heard contradictory opinions about this from people who actually know what they are talking about. We’ll see.

 

[Lavictoire]

Italian soccer could be played in empty arenas without fans because of coronavirus

 

[TB_Helmet]

According to Mayan prophecy. Sweated that one out, did you?

Beat me to it!

WHO warnings, Mayan Prophecy, all the same category.

I saw how that thread on the Pub went, already locked, which is bad for a Pub thread in the off-season. Honestly I think this outbreak will become a big deal (maybe not from the perspective of a high mortality rate, but quite possibly from the perspective of social disruption) and it’s too bad there are some people on this board who are having a hard time dealing with that inevitability due to their political leanings.

But there are also some really smart people on here who could break it down for the rest of us, and given that most normal aspects of our daily lives, including the NFL, could be viewed through the lens of this pandemic, this board seems as good a place as any to share information and advice.

We’ll see how this one goes. Stay safe everyone.

 

[Tunescribe]

Beat me to it!

WHO warnings, Mayan Prophecy, all the same category.

I saw how that thread on the Pub went, already locked, which is bad for a Pub thread in the off-season. Honestly I think this outbreak will become a big deal (maybe not from the perspective of a high mortality rate, but quite possibly from the perspective of social disruption) and it’s too bad there are some people on this board who are having a hard time dealing with that inevitability due to their political leanings.

But there are also some really smart people on here who could break it down for the rest of us, and given that most normal aspects of our daily lives, including the NFL, could be viewed through the lens of this pandemic, this board seems as good a place as any to share information and advice.

We’ll see how this one goes. Stay safe everyone.

It's a weird, sad and dangerous time when so many people have concluded that tribal loyalty trumps fact-informed reasoning and ignorance is a virtue.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Well, by September we'll know good and well whether (a) Coronavirus is "overblown," (b) Coronavirus killed a zillion people but "now" everything is back to normal, or (c) "Bring out your dead, bring out your dead..."

So first off, if they ever decide there is something important enough to shutter the stadiums for, we are in seriously deep doo doo.

That said however, there have been suggestions that a soccer final or something be played without fans in the stands... any thoughts about NFL viability in a TV-only (but football-starved) model?

It's the off-season.

What if...

A) They can't play with fans in the stands, however
B) Society hasn't broken down, you just cant go anywhere

Can the League* survive it?

Question 2:

If this happens, how many draft picks do they dock the Patriots for being generally aware that it happened?

If we were to discuss the very serious side of this, it would be too depressing. But the elephant is in all our rooms

 

[Joker]

But the elephant is in all our rooms

Not mine...I got a bad case...there's a Uintatherium in mine....

 

[TB_Helmet]

Not mine...I got a bad case...there's a Uintatherium in mine....

Holy crap, I have literally never seen that word before now. Today I learned something!

 

[DarrylS]

Could be wrong but I think the virus fades along with the flu season by May and when weather warms and none of this will happen.

It has popped up in Nigeria and Australia.. so not all that sure weather will make a difference...

 

[PatsFanInVa]

This kind of mega cluster response is PROOF it's the off season...

Fans can’t be seated next to each other but players will be allowed to pig pile and pancake each other up and down the field...all for our viewing pleasure?
Then the players will assemble in tight locker rooms for group showers and other hi jinx?

Players have been sophisticated robotics generated to match Madden power rankings since 06 anyway.

We were all supposed to be drowned by rising sea levels in 2012....I think we'll be ok for football season in 7 months

Everybody already pinged you on the difference b/w rising sea levels and mayan prophecy. More about that later. But come on man.

Can anyone ever make a political point without using an atrocious straw man argument?

You know who else said that? Hitler.

I think the argument is apt here given the widespread media hysteria regarding coronavirus. Maybe more hysteria regarding the virus, as the markets are now crashing whereas bankers are still giving out 50 year mortgages on South Beach hotels.

Although markets are famously vulnerable to the so called "animal spirits," the bears and bulls have been thoroughly coded and risk-managed of late. All the pros place their bets based on a short ton of data, and lots of the trades are computer triggered (that's without even counting the HFT world, which is probably getting to be the lion's share.)

So while lack of data to model wtf the market represents is still a confounding factor, it's not "hysteria" when the market factors in a secular change to lifestyles, based on the known numbers to date.

Two of them reign supreme from early estimates (and we'll see whether and how we will have to adjust these):

Coronavirus is 2.3% fatal. Precisely to the contrary of what our gubmit said early on, this is NOT a flu-like proportion. It is about 23x as lethal as a normal flu outbreak.

Coronavirus, to date, is more transmissable than flu or common cold - though in the same order of magnitude of transmissability.

I did see one early estimate that 40-70% of us will get it.

False relief factoid: It's severe in about 20% of cases - as in, really wipes you out. In 80%, you might have the sniffles. The reason it's false relief... people will go to work with it if you don't impress social distancing on them. (This might look a lot like "panic" if you aren't really clear on the other knowns to date.)

I'm not an epidemiologist, and I look forward to data-based arguments to the contrary.

We, the U.S., also appear to be trying very hard not to test for this virus, and not to take steps like giving CDC teams personal protective equipment when they meet known cases. I think the idea is to fight the appearance of a panic. This is the worst ever conflation of appearance and reality, in my book. That works for stocks. It does not work for microbes.

FWIW, Harvard’s Director of Communicable Disease Dynamics doesn’t think warm weather will do anything.

Warm weather knocked down the Spanish Flu too. Then it got cold again.

Beat me to it!

WHO warnings, Mayan Prophecy, all the same category.

I saw how that thread on the Pub went, already locked, which is bad for a Pub thread in the off-season. Honestly I think this outbreak will become a big deal (maybe not from the perspective of a high mortality rate, but quite possibly from the perspective of social disruption) and it’s too bad there are some people on this board who are having a hard time dealing with that inevitability due to their political leanings.

But there are also some really smart people on here who could break it down for the rest of us, and given that most normal aspects of our daily lives, including the NFL, could be viewed through the lens of this pandemic, this board seems as good a place as any to share information and advice.

We’ll see how this one goes. Stay safe everyone.

Re: WHO warnings and Mayan Prophecy, I am HOPING I'm correct that this is dripping w/sarcasm. On here it's hard to tell.

I agree w/stay safe everyone, hell, even if I disagree with you.

If we were to discuss the very serious side of this, it would be too depressing. But the elephant is in all our rooms

As some here know, Mrs. PFnV, a former regular here, has been room-bound by COPD for a few years now... so, her issue is breathing, she's oxygen dependent now, and here come da bug. As you can tell (above) we're tracking this with some concern. On the brigght side I am already teleworking 4 days a week and I'll be requesting 5, given the possible impacts of this disease, and we have an O2 concentrator already running.

I know what will happen by the end (I think)... those who want to believe "nothing happened" will do so, and the rest will bury their dead. If you lose 2.3%, and 40-70% really do catch it, you're talking 3 million Americans. Pretty mind-boggling number.

But the key is we've split off into data-using and data-denying factions. I would predict that if there actually is a pandemic, it will be denied (after its possible appropriation as an excuse for a state of emergency).

Anyway that's all a digression--just things to watch for.

I don't even want to have reason to have that conversation, so I look forward to the disease taking a new and different course in the U.S., although there is no reason to believe that it will.

But hey let's be data driven out there, all of us. (Which equates to "safer")

 

[Tunescribe]

Coronavirus is 2.3% fatal. Precisely to the contrary of what our gubmit said early on, this is NOT a flu-like proportion. It is about 23x as lethal as a normal flu outbreak.

Coronavirus, to date, is more transmissable than flu or common cold - though in the same order of magnitude of transmissability.

I did see one early estimate that 40-70% of us will get it.

False relief factoid: It's severe in about 20% of cases - as in, really wipes you out. In 80%, you might have the sniffles. The reason it's false relief... people will go to work with it if you don't impress social distancing on them. (This might look a lot like "panic" if you aren't really clear on the other knowns to date.)

I'm not an epidemiologist, and I look forward to data-based arguments to the contrary.

We, the U.S., also appear to be trying very hard not to test for this virus, and not to take steps like giving CDC teams personal protective equipment when they meet known cases. I think the idea is to fight the appearance of a panic. This is the worst ever conflation of appearance and reality, in my book. That works for stocks. It does not work for microbes.

It was only a matter of time before the pompously ignorant agenda-serving denial of scientific fact threatened fatal consequences. Now it's happening sooner than anyone would have guessed.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

If I captured Goodell, I'd bind him to a kitchen table chair and force him to watch perpetual loops of Kate Smith singing "God Bless America" and Richard Simmons workout loops...

Nope, Dr. Phil, The View and those Mike Lindell ads for the $60 pillow....

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

It was only a matter of time before the pompously ignorant agenda-serving denial of scientific fact threatened fatal consequences. Now it's happening sooner than anyone would have guessed.

While the fatality rate of 2.5% is much less than Ebola ,SARS ( 40-50%) or even the 1918 Spanish Flu ( 10%), it affects those over 50 disproportionately harder in terms of mortality.... In a pandemic, it's inevitable that it gets to the United States but hopefully we can minimize the size of the outbreak.....

 

[Tunescribe]

While the fatality rate of 2.5% is much less than Ebola ,SARS ( 40-50%) or even the 1918 Spanish Flu ( 10%), it affects those over 50 disproportionately harder in terms of mortality.... In a pandemic, it's inevitable that it gets to the United States but hopefully we can minimize the size of the outbreak.....

The figures cited by PFV are sobering. Even conservatively estimating 100k+ dying from this in the U.S., the associated economic fallout would be severe.

 

[Kontradiction]

It's a weird, sad and dangerous time when so many people have concluded that tribal loyalty trumps fact-informed reasoning and ignorance is a virtue.

Some people may have lived through too many hurricanes and the impending warnings of the apocalypse that come from the news coverage about them. I understand the news has a job to do in order to forewarn people, but you can only scream that the apocalypse is here so many times before people begin to laugh at you as if you’re some nut on a street corner in dirty underwear, and nothing else, screaming about God. Any pandemic is inherently dangerous. It’s the most realistic way outside of all out nuclear war that we’re going to be wiped out. But I’m not sure what to do about it. I’m still planning on traveling, going out, etc. If Coronavirus wants to find me and kill me, well... I guess it was my time to go.

 

[Tunescribe]

Some people may have lived through too many hurricanes and the impending warnings of the apocalypse that come from the news coverage about them. I understand the news has a job to do in order to forewarn people, but you can only scream that the apocalypse is here so many times before people begin to laugh at you as if you’re some nut on a street corner in dirty underwear, and nothing else, screaming about God. Any pandemic is inherently dangerous. It’s the most realistic way outside of all out nuclear war that we’re going to be wiped out. But I’m not sure what to do about it. I’m still planning on traveling, going out, etc. If Coronavirus wants to find me and kill me, well... I guess it was my time to go.

I have a heightened stake in this with a wife who touches sick people in a big hospital four days a week. You personally are not at serious risk even if you contract the virus but quite a few folks will be. It's no stretch to figure this thing might hurt us all financially.

 

[Kontradiction]

I have a heightened stake in this with a wife who touches sick people in a big hospital four days a week. You personally are not at serious risk even if you contract the virus but quite a few folks will be. It's no stretch to figure this thing might hurt us all financially.

Not worried about the financial aspect of it. A correction is long overdue. We’ve enjoyed the longest expansion in American history. It was coming regardless of the Coronavirus. I hope you and your wife make it through this okay. I also hope you don’t go into hiding, shuttered in your home over it in fear. That’s no way to live.

 

[p8ryts]

Well, by September we'll know good and well whether (a) Coronavirus is "overblown," (b) Coronavirus killed a zillion people but "now" everything is back to normal, or (c) "Bring out your dead, bring out your dead..."

So first off, if they ever decide there is something important enough to shutter the stadiums for, we are in seriously deep doo doo.

That said however, there have been suggestions that a soccer final or something be played without fans in the stands... any thoughts about NFL viability in a TV-only (but football-starved) model?

It's the off-season.

What if...

A) They can't play with fans in the stands, however
B) Society hasn't broken down, you just cant go anywhere

Can the League* survive it?

Question 2:

If this happens, how many draft picks do they dock the Patriots for being generally aware that it happened?

I can't imagine they won't have a preventive shot by then.

 

[p8ryts]

Could be wrong but I think the virus fades along with the flu season by May and when weather warms and none of this will happen.

good then we can get back to worrying about the planet dying