Antonio Brown

[venecol]

Seems like chicken and egg. NFL won’t really investigate or decide punishment until he’s on a roster. Teams don’t want him on their roster because they don’t know his punishment or how long he’s on Exempt List, if he is indeed put on the List.

It's called Purgatory.

Yet the league gave Kraft a pass for his actual criminal charges where they have VIDEO of his illegal acts until final disposition of his case.

These 2 cases are being treated completely opposite. Anyone that says the cases are different is full of it, one is an actual criminal case with evidence and witnesses, the other is based on allegations by one woman with no evidence, and a bunch of stories (yup that's all they are, stories).

I am not defending AB, but it is obvious the disparity in the way the league is handling these 2 cases, for obvious reasons.

 

[Betterthanmost]

When is AB coming back? He seems to be rehabilitated

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Lololololol

 

[shmessy]

This should have alerted all of us that something is not right in his head, he looks like a crazy person as Evey Hammond will say.

That's just #927 on the list.........

The only people crazier than AB are the clueless sad sacks arguing for him on this messageboard.

For the sake of humanity I hope those naive people have somebody handling their finances.

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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

That's just #927 on the list.........

The only people crazier than AB are the clueless sad sacks arguing for him on this messageboard.

For the sake of humanity I hope those naive people have somebody handling their finances.

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Really? You are somehow concluding that people critical of Kraft are less aware of the financial aspect of this move? The busted contract is basically the entire reason why people think Kraft should have continued having AB on the roster, since the money is already gone anyway, and he has a huge uphill battle on not paying Brown his signing bonus (by all precedent and logic, he will eventually be forced to pay it out and there will be not future cap credit.) If the Patriots hadn't signed Brown, this thread wouldn't be this length of have this much disagreement. They did sign him, though, and that's why it's nonsensical to "cut your losses" and take a zero when the league is already going to give you an exempt roster spot during any investigation/suspension, which would be a benefit that any reasonable owner would use during a time like this. That you'd refer to the pro-keeping Brown crowd as "naive" when it comes to financials is head-scratching.

Kraft doesn't want to the stain of having Antonio Brown as an official member of the Patriots (even as an inactive/suspended player), which is why he cut him. Belichick and locker room did not make this decision because it's so illogical. The only rationale behind it is that Kraft personally can't handle Brown being associated with his franchise; otherwise, even if there's a 10% chance Brown gets his act together and can still contribute on the field, that's enough of a reason to roll the dice and keep him. The risk has already been taken and the cap hit taken; the only thing left to do is see if there is any reward to that, even if smaller than hoped for (which may still be enough between winning and not winning a Super Bowl.)

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

That's just #927 on the list.........

The only people crazier than AB are the clueless sad sacks arguing for him on this messageboard.

For the sake of humanity I hope those naive people have somebody handling their finances.

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What finances? They live at home with Mommy and Daddy and even get their undies cleaned and folded

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Honest question: do you think AB with the alleged civil charges and SI stories was more of a threat to his business model than the man himself being caught on VIDEO getting HJ and BJ from asian prostitutes in Florida?

It seems a bit hypocritical to make this argument given the fact Kraft is actually facing criminal charges.

Yes, because people (and thus advertisers) care more about sexual assault and rape (which is what Brown is accused of) than going to a hooker.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What finances? They live at home with Mommy and Daddy and even get their undies cleaned and folded

You're in favor of voluntarily taking a zero on a $9M investment that still has potential upside, just to be clear.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

It's called Purgatory.

Yet the league gave Kraft a pass for his actual criminal charges where they have VIDEO of his illegal acts until final disposition of his case.

These 2 cases are being treated completely opposite. Anyone that says the cases are different is full of it, one is an actual criminal case with evidence and witnesses, the other is based on allegations by one woman with no evidence, and a bunch of stories (yup that's all they are, stories).

I am not defending AB, but it is obvious the disparity in the way the league is handling these 2 cases, for obvious reasons.

I'll never understand how you Brown defenders believe that sexual assault and rape is no different than going to a hooker.

Yes, Kraft's case is criminal and the other case is much flimsier. But what Kraft is accused of pales in comparison to what Brown is accused of and that's the reason for the difference in treatment.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'll never understand how you Brown defenders believe that sexual assault and rape is no different than going to a hooker.

Yes, you do. You really do. One is an allegation with plenty of reason for doubt, and the other is not. Stop being dishonest in straw manning the argument. Every person here that is a "Brown defender" would be 1000% on board with cutting Brown if a video existed of him raping a woman.

 

[borg]

It's called Purgatory.

Yet the league gave Kraft a pass for his actual criminal charges where they have VIDEO of his illegal acts until final disposition of his case.

These 2 cases are being treated completely opposite. Anyone that says the cases are different is full of it, one is an actual criminal case with evidence and witnesses, the other is based on allegations by one woman with no evidence, and a bunch of stories (yup that's all they are, stories).

I am not defending AB, but it is obvious the disparity in the way the league is handling these 2 cases, for obvious reasons.

Huh?
You do realize one is a player, the other an owner?

From the NFL's position, these "cases" have no similarity whatsoever.

All things "Antonio Brown" must be handled in accordance with bargained NFLPA guidelines.

Any thing "Kraft" is strictly a Commissioner/Owners issue

What disparity of treatment?
The NFL has made no judgements on either Brown or Kraft.

The "purgatory" you are so distraught about is a figment of your imagination.

Is it in the NFL's job description to investigate matters of former players, non roster players, hopeful future players? This list would be in the tens of thousands.
Sign with a team, the NFL will address matters at hand

Common misconception: "Because of Brown's baggage, the NFL is blocking him from an NFL roster."
His signing with NE demonstrated that the NFL was not interferring with Brown's career.
Only differences between post-Raiders and post-Patriots is Brown's baggage is considerably heavier

Is it Brown's right to be on an NFL roster?
Do NFL teams have the right to fill rosters as they wish?

Don't make the statement "I'm done with the NFL" and expect the NFL to treat you like a current player

I also wonder how the NFLPA would react if the NFL moved forward in the proactive manner you are advocating for and investigated a non roster player while his 8 claims against two NFL teams are being evaluated by the ruling body that hears such grievances.
Likely the NFLPA would frame any NFL investigation during the hearing phase as an act of intimidation against a union member.

 

[rochrist]

Yes, you do. You really do. One is an allegation with plenty of reason for doubt, and the other is not. Stop being dishonest in straw manning the argument. Every person here that is a "Brown defender" would be 1000% on board with cutting Brown if a video existed of him raping a woman.

WHat is the 'plenty of reason for doubt'? That he can catch a football real good?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Huh?
You do realize one is a player, the other an owner?

From the NFL's position, these "cases" have no similarity whatsoever.

All things "Antonio Brown" must be handled in accordance with bargained NFLPA guidelines.

Any thing "Kraft" is strictly a Commissioner/Owners issue

What disparity of treatment?
The NFL has made no judgements on either Brown or Kraft.

The "purgatory" you are so distraught about is a figment of your imagination.

Is it in the NFL's job description to investigate matters of former players, non roster players, hopeful future players? This list would be in the tens of thousands.
Sign with a team, the NFL will address matters at hand

Is it Brown's right to be on an NFL roster?
Do NFL teams have the right to fill rosters as they wish?

Don't make the statement "I'm done with the NFL" and expect the NFL to treat you like a current player

I also wonder how the NFLPA would react if the NFL moved forward in the proactive manner you are advocating for and investigated a non roster player while his 8 claims against two NFL teams are being evaluated by the ruling body that hears these grievances.
Likely the NFLPA would frame any NFL investigation during the hearing phase as an act of intimidation against a union member.

This is a can of worms opened up by the NFL itself. They just set a precedent in investigating a non-criminal offense.

So what did the second accuser (painter) do about threatening texts? Get a restraining order from the police? Nope. File a police report? Nope. Contacted the NFL, who has now mixed its investigative limits into accusations even before they become police reports. For all intents and purposes, the NFL has more power to discipline Brown than the police, with a much lower, random standard of proof. Think about how stupid this is. If someone who works at Apple wrongs you in your personal life, does your attorney send a letter to Apple asking them to investigate and suspend the person?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

WHat is the 'plenty of reason for doubt'? That he can catch a football real good?

There's no reason to doubt that the rape actually occurred, considering the lack of physical evidence, no filed police report, and the general acknowledgment that this will be a "my word against his" type of trial? That's the same as having a video of someone committing a crime?

 

[rochrist]

There's no reason to doubt that the rape actually occurred, considering the lack of physical evidence, no filed police report, and the general acknowledgment that this will be a "my word against his" type of trial? That's the same as having a video of someone committing a crime?

Do you know how many rapes go unreported to police in this country?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Do you know how many rapes go unreported to police in this country?

Absence of proof of innocence is not proof of guilt. That's not to say the woman is lying or that the rape did not happen. There is a lack of actual evidence that it did. In terms of who to believe, Kraft cut Brown just as the investigation started.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Yes, you do. You really do. One is an allegation with plenty of reason for doubt, and the other is not. Stop being dishonest in straw manning the argument. Every person here that is a "Brown defender" would be 1000% on board with cutting Brown if a video existed of him raping a woman.

I wouldn’t even need a video. If he was charged I’d cut ties with him. But right now it’s just a civil complaint.

But who knows maybe AB was told no more issues off the field and when he sent out those texts that was it.

 

[patman12]

Honest question: do you think AB with the alleged civil charges and SI stories was more of a threat to his business model than the man himself being caught on VIDEO getting HJ and BJ from asian prostitutes in Florida?

It seems a bit hypocritical to make this argument given the fact Kraft is actually facing criminal charges.

I think both situations pose potential financial risks but I think of the two, AB is the only one who could get fired.

 

[captain stone]

...If accurate there was no way in hell he was going to be successful here. Awful attitude.

I'm all for fairness and due process but this dude is bad to the bone.

Good riddance.

Perhaps - if not Likely - there was indeed no way in hell that Clowntonio would've been successful here over the long term...However...it was also hypocritical, gutless and short-sighted to have released him without first waiting for the league to take action itself...In the meantime, he sure would've made life easier for us - and for Brady - and the OL - and his fellow WRs - last week in Barfalo, and would've done so again this week in DC.

 

[Triumph]