Collinsworth on WEEI

[moosekill]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I'm sure one of the reasons that Dale and Holly didn't go after CC very much, was that Dale spent the whole week of camera gate ripping Bill, and saying he should be punished. Holly sort of weakly disagreed with him, but they certainly weren't in the Patriot's corner. Then Collinsworth comes on, whom I hate, but i digress, and rips into the Patriots. I am not surprised at all that D&H didn't go after him.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I didn't say I agreed with him, but the opinions obtained for other league sources are likely accurate. He isn't a fan of BB so he will seek the opinion of people who also don't like BB.

Exactly, which is why the idea that he believes in "the truth" is laughable. If you're looking to represent a general opinion, you poll randomly or the entire population (not hard with only 32 HCs). You don't cherry-pick people you know are going to agree with you, because you can ALWAYS find people like that. And you sure as hell don't imply that half the league agrees with you, when it's clear that the vast majority of public statements out there either a) completely disagree or b) don't give a rat's a**.

My point was during the broadcasts I have seen he calls out players, coaches or GMs and doesn't try to play all buddy buddy with them.

I'd say that's an admirable quality in general (refusing to be a sycophant), but to think that there is some sort of "noble" principle behind it is against all logic and economic sense. You cater to your audience, and his audience demands confrontation and excitement.

The truth (as usaul is some where in the middle):
Spectrum A - BB is a cheating devil
Spectrum B - BB is a Saint and was only pulling a prank

My opinion, the Patriots broke a league rule. It was blatant and stupid. The recorded the signals to gain an advantage, an illegal advantage. Whether they used it during games we may never know but why wouldn't they?

Definitely agree there. But do you really agree with him that this incident has threatened the integrity of the entire league? Again, what about the salary cap violations, steroids, HGH? Did Collinsworth think the sky was falling then, too? If so, he was wrong. If not, where was his concern for "integrity" then?

[Edit] Just want to make it clear that I'm just pointing Collinsworth out as an example because he's being discussed here. It's not like he's the only current sports writer with an agenda.

 

[Mogamedogz]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

Honestly, if it were such an unfair advantage, you'd think after BB was caught in two games last year, there would have been an outrage or at least there would have been penalties.

Actually, he said that there was an outrage by other teams/coaches in the league who were fed up with teams (NE and Miami in particular) stealing signals, so the powers that be met for 16 hours during the off-season meetings ("instead of playing golf" his words) specifically to try and stamp out the "problem". That is when the memo was drafted which was sent out to all of the teams, outlining the Leagues intentions of "more strictly enforcing" the rule this season.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I disagree with Collinsworth and think he's being a total Jauron about it, BUT I don't doubt his sincerity, off-base as it may be (and is). For the most part, he's been a stand-up guy and he's been pretty good at his job for years. I just think he's wrong here.

 

[BrianPat]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

let CC rant, the more he rants, the more crazy he looks. Serious, they're acting like scorned children. When I saw Steve Young after the bengals game, I was shocked to hear him say that it didn't mean anything as far as an advantage, just they didn't need to do it and it's tainted the league's flagship team. Chris C will regret not letting it go, he'll be locked out of any interviews with the Patriots while others that do let it go will have access.

 

[363839]

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I disagree with Collinsworth and think he's being a total Jauron about it, BUT I don't doubt his sincerity, off-base as it may be (and is). For the most part, he's been a stand-up guy and he's been pretty good at his job for years. I just think he's wrong here.

"Total Jauron"??? I thought we all liked jauron around here.

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :bricks:

 

[Pats726]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I didn't say I agreed with him, but the opinions obtained for other league sources are likely accurate. He isn't a fan of BB so he will seek the opinion of people who also don't like BB.

My point was during the broadcasts I have seen he calls out players, coaches or GMs and doesn't try to play all buddy buddy with them.

The truth (as usaul is some where in the middle):
Spectrum A - BB is a cheating devil
Spectrum B - BB is a Saint and was only pulling a prank

My opinion, the Patriots broke a league rule. It was blatant and stupid. The recorded the signals to gain an advantage, an illegal advantage. Whether they used it during games we may never know but why wouldn't they?

No..I undesrtand..and it is interesting that he calls out players, GMs, coaches..but just because he does that TO ALL..doesn't mean he isn't as biased as the next commentator. I am also sure..he picks and chooses WHO he goes after and calls out..wondering where his agenda is...and of course when you are a hater as he is and takes teh opinion of other who shares that..if THAT is called research and truth, then..he must be the pope.
I really wonder if there is not a past history of the two..esp since he is from Ohio...maybe when BB was in Cleveland...it is always interesting when something is so vehement..THAt to me signals a hidden agenda.
I really doubt anyone thinks it was a prank or that BB is a Saint...he's a coach who pushes the envelope..and I see nothing wrong with that as long as there is a boundary. I do NOT think he used it for a game advantage..it was breaking a rule..but slaray cap breaking and OTHER practices are worse.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

Actually, he said that there was an outrage by other teams/coaches in the league who were fed up with teams (NE and Miami in particular) stealing signals, so the powers that be met for 16 hours during the off-season meetings ("instead of playing golf" his words) specifically to try and stamp out the "problem". That is when the memo was drafted which was sent out to all of the teams, outlining the Leagues intentions of "more strictly enforcing" the rule this season.

The only problem with His Story (not history), is that the 'September memo' was from September 2006, not September 2007; it was over a year old.

 

[All_Around_Brown]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

The only problem with His Story (not history), is that the 'September memo' was from September 2006, not September 2007; it was over a year old.

Are you sure about that. Everytime I think that that is the story, someone else comes along and claims it was memoed THIS year.

Keeping the fury alive.

 

[kolbitr]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I didn't say I agreed with him, but the opinions obtained for other league sources are likely accurate. He isn't a fan of BB so he will seek the opinion of people who also don't like BB.

My point was during the broadcasts I have seen he calls out players, coaches or GMs and doesn't try to play all buddy buddy with them.

The truth (as usaul is some where in the middle):
Spectrum A - BB is a cheating devil
Spectrum B - BB is a Saint and was only pulling a prank

My opinion, the Patriots broke a league rule. It was blatant and stupid. The recorded the signals to gain an advantage, an illegal advantage. Whether they used it during games we may never know but why wouldn't they?

His opinion is not really that unusual; in fact, it's been the normal one on the videotaping. He is more or less in the majority of such commentators.

I'd like to point out that it's much easier for Collinsworth to be stubborn, even obnoxious about his beliefs than a reporter or commentator, even a well-connected one, since he is a multi-millionaire with his own inside connections and a cushy job. Referring to the "ball-washing" of some local fans and media types seems to overlook the freedom he gains from his wealth and fame.

 

[Pat_Nasty]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

What's frustrating about Collinsworth is that when he's not trying to act like the NFL's arbiter on decorum and ethics, he's one of the most insightful, well-prepared analysts around, one of the few who's willing to go into detail and discuss particular aspects of the play in front of him, not just use the plays as a launching point to read from the book of ex-jock sportscaster cliches.

Unfortunately, ever since he was singled out for praise after calling-out Randy Moss for the pantomimed-moon TD celebration, he's realized that what a lot of the football-watching audience wants is someone to help them come up with new things to get self-righteously indignant about.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

let CC rant, the more he rants, the more crazy he looks. Serious, they're acting like scorned children. When I saw Steve Young after the bengals game, I was shocked to hear him say that it didn't mean anything as far as an advantage, just they didn't need to do it and it's tainted the league's flagship team. Chris C will regret not letting it go, he'll be locked out of any interviews with the Patriots while others that do let it go will have access.

Steve Young along with CC, has been one of the most sanctimonious frauds about the taping. he says it's unforgivable. I loved the conversation with fellow "journalist" Bill Parcels, who revealed that Walsh/Young scripted the first fifteen plays and the team practiced those plays assiduously. That was well known and bragged about.

But Tuna revealed that under the rules, if one side's radios went out, then both Teams' radios are turned off. He said it was a "pure coincidence" that in two playoff game with his Giants, the 49ers radios went out on the first play, so the 15 play scripts were difficult to counter. Tuna asked if that was not a much worse form of "cheating". Steve Young turned crimson and started stuttering.

Young said it was...er... ahem... not cheating...er... ah... it was... ah..er... ah "gamesmanship". Then he shut up, and never spoke about the taping any more. :bricks:

Having heard from Madden, JJ, Tuna, and Cowher, at least three future HOF Coaches amongst them, it is no big deal.

 

[FlyingElvis75]

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Hehe, I saw that. Steve Young then asked about how the stadium doors would open whenever the opposition had a crucial field goal kick...Tuna said "Hey, the trucks gotta get out of there, we don't make the trucking schedule." Hardeharhar.

 

[belichickaholic]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I love how he screams about integrity, yet he's basing his story and opinion solely on the opinions of others. What a friggin joke. If he were to tell me EXACTLY how Belichick used the camera to get an advantage, then maybe I'd respect him. But the fact is, he DOESN'T know how Belichick used that camera.

The rule says that you can have a camera on the sideline for coaching purposes, so long as it's covered on three sides with a roof. In other words, if there was a tent over the camera it would have been legal. The reason they want the tent over it is so that the camera man can't record the signals and then pan over and record the formations also. The tent prevents the recording of both the signals and the formations.

But if you watch the actual video that was leaked to FOX news, it was clear that the camera guy was only recording the signal callers, and then the down and distance.

Belichick didn't cheat. He broke a rule. If he had cheated, the formations would have also been on those tapes.

If Collinsworth can tell me exactly how he used the camera as an advantage in a game, then I'd love to hear it. Until then, he's just a guy talking about integrity while he slanders someone.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

Goodell in his statment regarding the spycam incident,and his ruling said himself "there was no competetive advantage" gained by taping opposing coaches. SO all D+H had to SAY WAS SO Chris YOU DISAGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER? I also getting the sense that people are starting to relize that i.e. no competetive advantage would be gained by taping signals on game day your TAPING them thats for future use. And the coaches your taping could be gone by the time you play a team again ex.(Detroit) last year. By the time we play Detroit again there very well could be a new staff. So why BB does this I don't know ,is it pyschological? haeveing the opposing team think yuour gaining some kind of advantage, is it to be so blatant BB gets under the opposing coaches skin? Who knows,certainly not CC. Finally this memo went out last year,last Sep.and BB ignored it. And the league ignored BB ignoring it.

 

[belichickaholic]

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Steve Young along with CC, has been one of the most sanctimonious frauds about the taping. he says it's unforgivable. I loved the conversation with fellow "journalist" Bill Parcels, who revealed that Walsh/Young scripted the first fifteen plays and the team practiced those plays assiduously. That was well known and bragged about.

But Tuna revealed that under the rules, if one side's radios went out, then both Teams' radios are turned off. He said it was a "pure coincidence" that in two playoff game with his Giants, the 49ers radios went out on the first play, so the 15 play scripts were difficult to counter. Tuna asked if that was not a much worse form of "cheating". Steve Young turned crimson and started stuttering.

Young said it was...er... ahem... not cheating...er... ah... it was... ah..er... ah "gamesmanship". Then he shut up, and never spoke about the taping any more. :bricks:

Having heard from Madden, JJ, Tuna, and Cowher, at least three future HOF Coaches amongst them, it is no big deal.

I saw that too, it was hilarious to watch. Young really did start squirming in his seat, literally, he looked like he had ants in his pants. And kudos to Parcells for standing up for his boy too.

 

[scout]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

Basically, Holley asks him to specifically explain why he said what he did on SNF (about BB and the punishment he feels that he should have gotten).

Collingsworth went on like a 10 minute rant about how he stands for "the truth" , and doesn’t care about making friends with coaches, owners, or anyone else... He feels that based on his "indept"research on the situation, that what Belichick did was even worse for the integrity of the game, than what Pac man Jones, Mike Vick, (insert suspended convicts names) have done, because it actually affected the outcome of games.

He said that he talked to coaches across the league, and although they are not allowed to speak about it publicly, they have conveyed to him that they are absolutely furious over this thing. Then he went on to say that about half of the coaches and GM's he talked to, applauded "The RAT" for doing what many of them felt was the right thing and FINALLY coming forward to expose Belichick for something that he has been doing since his days in Cleveland.... Blah, blah, blah... It went on and on and on....

Dale and Holley were basically rendered defenseless by him. It was embarrassing to be quite honest.

CC needs to leave out of the equation players such as Pac Man, Vick and others who have broken laws or been a menace to society. One issue is a football game the other is for the court of law to decide. Then, you have a coach who has broken a rule that was reinforced in memo form at some point in time. Now, you compare this transgretion from what we read/hear from other coaches around the league. That teams videotape other teams defensive CO, malfunctioning headsets by the Niners, tunnel doors opening on kickers, etc, etc. Don't you think coaches want CC to continue stirring the pot and thus, feed the fire (I didn't say they were bright). We'll continue to hear about cameragate for the remainder of the season. As Al would say, just feed the fire, baby.

 

[aluminum seats]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

I suppose on some level the fact that all this stuff is SO ludicrously overstated is kind of disappointing and/or aggravating. But keep in mind two things:

1) None of what they say actually matters.

and more importantly......

2) This stuff has apparently motivated the Pats like never before.

 

[KoolAidDrinker]

Re: Collingsworth on WEEI

Are you sure about that. Everytime I think that that is the story, someone else comes along and claims it was memoed THIS year.

Keeping the fury alive.

It appears that the infamous memo went out on September 6, 2006 according to the NFL. This means that the league did not enforce this for an entire season after the memo went out. I expect that it probably caught BB by surprise.

There are numerous reports of this on the web. Here are a few.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1635

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/09/13/ramblings/week-in-quotes/5480/

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/09/13/a_sorry_state/?page=2