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Is it reasonable to expect a 1st or 2nd round draft choice to a contributor in his first season? Some of this is a function of need.

I can see draft a developmental LT for QB that wouldn't be expected to contribute.

So, where are the roster spots where a 1st or second rounder can genuinely fill a hole and be significant contributor. My list is DE, LB, TE and even RB.

I suppose that we would grab a great value at any position. However, it seems somehow wrong to draft a #4 safety in the 1st or 2nd, or a #5 corner, or a #4 DT.
 
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Is it reasonable to expect a 1st or 2nd round draft choice to a contractor in his first season? Some of this is a function of need.

I can see draft a developmental LT for QB that wouldn't be expected to contribute.

So, where are the roster spots where a 1st or second rounder can genuinely fill a hole and be significant contributor. My list is DE, LB, TE and even RB.

I suppose that we would grab a great value at any position. However, it seems somehow wrong to draft a #4 safety in the 1st or 2nd, or a #5 corner, or a #4 DT.

Given how many snaps our top three safeties played, and the prevalence of the big nickel defense, I truly believe that a talented safety would have more impact than most positions. I don't think #4 on the depth chart is an accurate representation of his potential snaps. Add to that the age of Chung and McCourty, and a high pick at safety seems prudent.
 
Add to that the age of Chung and McCourty, and a high pick at safety seems prudent.

Add to that who is making the selections and the selection of a high pick at safety goes from prudent to a virtual certainty.
 
Is it reasonable to expect a 1st or 2nd round draft choice to a contractor in his first season? Some of this is a function of need.

I can see draft a developmental LT for QB that wouldn't be expected to contribute.

So, where are the roster spots where a 1st or second rounder can genuinely fill a hole and be significant contributor. My list is DE, LB, TE and even RB.

I suppose that we would grab a great value at any position. However, it seems somehow wrong to draft a #4 safety in the 1st or 2nd, or a #5 corner, or a #4 DT.
N.O. had a remarkable draft last year where their first three rounds of players
were contributors and a couple were selected for the pro bowl. A really good
offensive tackle and a good middle linebacker could be starters for the
Patriots. Might have to use #1 draft picks to get them and even trade up
(Chandler Jones and Hightower).
 
Is it reasonable to expect a 1st or 2nd round draft choice to a contractor in his first season? Some of this is a function of need.

I can see draft a developmental LT for QB that wouldn't be expected to contribute.

So, where are the roster spots where a 1st or second rounder can genuinely fill a hole and be significant contributor. My list is DE, LB, TE and even RB.

I suppose that we would grab a great value at any position. However, it seems somehow wrong to draft a #4 safety in the 1st or 2nd, or a #5 corner, or a #4 DT.

If the Pats select someone in the first round you can be damn sure that internally they evaluated that person to be a starter.

Why ? Because instead of rounds internally the Patriots think in their own grading system.

Via Lombardi (The 14 Best NFL Draft Prospects):
We wanted to define the prospect’s role on our team, and we wanted to predict how long it would take for him to achieve that role. That’s it. Instead of predicting rounds, our system forced our scouts to grade every player as (1) a starter, (2) a potential starter, (3) a developmental player, (4) a backup, or (5) someone who couldn’t make any NFL team. In Belichick’s room, no one was permitted to mention rounds?—?that job was for useless coffee-guzzling scouts and cliché-spouting TV commentators.

So if there is no one graded as a starter left they would trade down from the first round. And since the NE boards are famously small especially when it comes to first-day starters the trade downs are something that happens frequently (from the same article):
Ever wonder why the Patriots always move backward in the draft? Most times, their draft board features maybe 14 or 15 potential day-one starters?—?grades dictate everything.

And to know what you can expect from a "starter" you only have to look how they treated Hightower and Jones in their rookie year. That is pretty much the template for a starter in NE. It also explains why they traded up for those players. Because both were evaluated to be a day-one starter and were in reasonable range.
 
Recently, the 2016 Falcons (Keanu Neal S 1st round, Deion Jones LB 2nd round, De'Vondre Campbell LB 4th round, Brian Poole NCB UDFA) & 2017 Saints (Marshon Lattimore CB 1st round, Marcus Williams S 2nd round) have received pretty big year 1 contributions that played big roles in defensive turnarounds (minus the whole Williams playoff whiff ).

Wise & Butler did all they could their first year in an undermanned front 7 with about 55% & 45% snaps respectively as well as 25% of our team's sacks. They made a solid impact considering both were not drafted in the top 100.

Considering our draft capital, I think we can expect two rookie defenders to make a solid impact by the end of the year on the defensive side of the ball.
 
Recently, the 2016 Falcons (Keanu Neal S 1st round, Deion Jones LB 2nd round, De'Vondre Campbell LB 4th round, Brian Poole NCB UDFA) & 2017 Saints (Marshon Lattimore CB 1st round, Marcus Williams S 2nd round) have received pretty big year 1 contributions that played big roles in defensive turnarounds (minus the whole Williams playoff whiff ).

Wise & Butler did all they could their first year in an undermanned front 7 with about 55% & 45% snaps respectively as well as 25% of our team's sacks. They made a solid impact considering both were not drafted in the top 100.

Considering our draft capital, I think we can expect two rookie defenders to make a solid impact by the end of the year on the defensive side of the ball.

I agree. I believe that I suggested that a DE and a LB could have significant contributions. If I didn't, I'll say it now.

I also believe that a TE could have significant contributions (and save up a lot of cap money).
 
I am not expecting much contribution if any at all...

- A run down of positions:

QB - Nope, a rookie won't contribute unless Brady gets hurt.

RB - Possible for a two down guy to emerge from this draft class, but not the pass catching RB, IMO.

FB - Nope..Develin is getting all of the few snaps we have a FB in at.

TE - Maybe a #2 guy could beat out Allen. #3 could beat out Hollister/Niklaus...but won't play a lot unless Gronk gets hurt or we play a lot of 2TE formations...but we usually bring the 2nd TE to block.

OL - Maybe at LG someone could supplant Thuney. We are solid with Andrews, Mason, and Cannon. I think Waddle is our LT..if not him..Orlando Brown in the draft??? Dunno...this is Brady's blindside and Scars likes continuity.

DL - We are loaded at DT with Shelton/Brown. Maybe a 3rd DT could earn snaps over Guy/Butler/Valentine... and at DE we got a lot of competition too...but a talented pass rusher would earn snaps no matter what moreso if he can also set the edge.

LB - We play two LB's most of the time...and Hightower/Van Noy are the guys here. But a rookie could earn time here with speed for sure.

CB - Loaded here...even without Butler. Not seeing a rookie even doing better than #4 on the depth chart behind Gilmore/Rowe/McCourty. But a rookie could earn time as a slot corner though as I am unsure about having Rowe slide in the slot...and we have J.Jones there too.

S - Loaded with McCourty/Chung/Harmon. Hell, Jordan Richards only played 272 snaps last year with 41 coming in week 1 and another 30 in week 17 for a total of 25% of our defensive snaps. The big three all played 700+ snaps.

K - We are set here.

P - Possible...but don't think so.

LS - BB is a Navy guy. No chance...even after a bad snap in the SB.

KOR - With Patterson on the roster...would have to be a very electrifying rookie...

PR - Possible, but we have a lot of competition here.

So....LB, DE, OL, and RB basically...with the rest only as a developmental or rotation guy.
 
Is it reasonable to expect a 1st or 2nd round draft choice to a contractor in his first season? Some of this is a function of need.

I can see draft a developmental LT for QB that wouldn't be expected to contribute.

So, where are the roster spots where a 1st or second rounder can genuinely fill a hole and be significant contributor. My list is DE, LB, TE and even RB.

I suppose that we would grab a great value at any position. However, it seems somehow wrong to draft a #4 safety in the 1st or 2nd, or a #5 corner, or a #4 DT.

You must have intended to say contributor. No?

Anyways one should hope that every draft pick contributes even if only on special teams as well as during practices. Is everyone on pins and needles for this particular draft?
 
I agree other than a top #2 TE might be good enough to get lots of reps in 2 TE's sets.

I am not expecting much contribution if any at all...

- A run down of positions:

QB - Nope, a rookie won't contribute unless Brady gets hurt.

RB - Possible for a two down guy to emerge from this draft class, but not the pass catching RB, IMO.

FB - Nope..Develin is getting all of the few snaps we have a FB in at.

TE - Maybe a #2 guy could beat out Allen. #3 could beat out Hollister/Niklaus...but won't play a lot unless Gronk gets hurt or we play a lot of 2TE formations...but we usually bring the 2nd TE to block.

OL - Maybe at LG someone could supplant Thuney. We are solid with Andrews, Mason, and Cannon. I think Waddle is our LT..if not him..Orlando Brown in the draft??? Dunno...this is Brady's blindside and Scars likes continuity.

DL - We are loaded at DT with Shelton/Brown. Maybe a 3rd DT could earn snaps over Guy/Butler/Valentine... and at DE we got a lot of competition too...but a talented pass rusher would earn snaps no matter what moreso if he can also set the edge.

LB - We play two LB's most of the time...and Hightower/Van Noy are the guys here. But a rookie could earn time here with speed for sure.

CB - Loaded here...even without Butler. Not seeing a rookie even doing better than #4 on the depth chart behind Gilmore/Rowe/McCourty. But a rookie could earn time as a slot corner though as I am unsure about having Rowe slide in the slot...and we have J.Jones there too.

S - Loaded with McCourty/Chung/Harmon. Hell, Jordan Richards only played 272 snaps last year with 41 coming in week 1 and another 30 in week 17 for a total of 25% of our defensive snaps. The big three all played 700+ snaps.

K - We are set here.

P - Possible...but don't think so.

LS - BB is a Navy guy. No chance...even after a bad snap in the SB.

KOR - With Patterson on the roster...would have to be a very electrifying rookie...

PR - Possible, but we have a lot of competition here.

So....LB, DE, OL, and RB basically...with the rest only as a developmental or rotation guy.
 
I am not expecting much contribution if any at all...

- A run down of positions:

QB - Nope, a rookie won't contribute unless Brady gets hurt.

RB - Possible for a two down guy to emerge from this draft class, but not the pass catching RB, IMO.

FB - Nope..Develin is getting all of the few snaps we have a FB in at.

TE - Maybe a #2 guy could beat out Allen. #3 could beat out Hollister/Niklaus...but won't play a lot unless Gronk gets hurt or we play a lot of 2TE formations...but we usually bring the 2nd TE to block.

OL - Maybe at LG someone could supplant Thuney. We are solid with Andrews, Mason, and Cannon. I think Waddle is our LT..if not him..Orlando Brown in the draft??? Dunno...this is Brady's blindside and Scars likes continuity.

DL - We are loaded at DT with Shelton/Brown. Maybe a 3rd DT could earn snaps over Guy/Butler/Valentine... and at DE we got a lot of competition too...but a talented pass rusher would earn snaps no matter what moreso if he can also set the edge.

LB - We play two LB's most of the time...and Hightower/Van Noy are the guys here. But a rookie could earn time here with speed for sure.

CB - Loaded here...even without Butler. Not seeing a rookie even doing better than #4 on the depth chart behind Gilmore/Rowe/McCourty. But a rookie could earn time as a slot corner though as I am unsure about having Rowe slide in the slot...and we have J.Jones there too.

S - Loaded with McCourty/Chung/Harmon. Hell, Jordan Richards only played 272 snaps last year with 41 coming in week 1 and another 30 in week 17 for a total of 25% of our defensive snaps. The big three all played 700+ snaps.

K - We are set here.

P - Possible...but don't think so.

LS - BB is a Navy guy. No chance...even after a bad snap in the SB.

KOR - With Patterson on the roster...would have to be a very electrifying rookie...

PR - Possible, but we have a lot of competition here.

So....LB, DE, OL, and RB basically...with the rest only as a developmental or rotation guy.

Agree with most with the exception of DT and the secondary. Even with my patriot glasses on I can’t say we are loaded there. We replaced branch for Shelton. If 1 of Shelton or brown goes down we become very thin.

With our secondary we have a few decent #2s opposite Gilmore but both mccourty and Rowe are FA after the season, we could definitely use a corner that will push for PT this year and be ready to start next season.

We are loaded at safety but we are also getting older at that spot. A draft pick makes sense here as well
 
QB - I honestly can't say which (if any) of the QB prospects available in this draft - at any pick - might be viewed by BB as an adequate (or better) candidate to try to develop into Brady's replacement. I really have no idea how BB might evaluate such prospects, and I absolutely do not trust any QB scouting reports from anyone to be any closer to how BB actually sees things than I am. So, I can't project that BB won't sell most of the Pats 2018 and 2019 top draft picks draft to move up into the top-5 for a QB prospect, and I'm equally unable to project that he won't just skip QB this draft altogether. AFAIK, there are roughly equal chances that it could go to either extreme or end up somewhere in the "middle." A drafted QB would seem unlikely to contribute much in 2018, regardless when he's selected.
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LT - Substitute "Scar" for "BB", and "LT" for "QB" in the above.

OL - However, in terms of depth along the OL, looking ahead to 2019 - when Mason becomes a potentially unaffordable UFA, Waddle becomes a UFA, and Marcus Cannon will be 31 - there doesn't appear to be a lot of it (depth, that is). Acquiring more prospects in this draft for Scar's pipeline seems highly likely to me. That could happen in almost any round, but such guys would be unlikely immediate contributors nevertheless.
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SAFETY - A prospect who the Pats have graded as a "day-one starter" could almost immediately become a bigger contributor to the Safety rotation than Richards (even with everyone healthy), and provide significant high-quality snaps if one of Harmon, Chung or D-Mac gets injured. He'd be more a "#2b/#3b" than a mere replacement for Richards at #4. Having a 4th "starter-capable" safety also significantly lessens the need to find a faster (lighter) "coverage LB" who's also consistently stout against the run. [And, if the defense is going to start relying on a specialty "coverage LB", the Pats had better get two of them. Otherwise, if/when the first guy gets injured, they're back to relying on Richards.]
... There may well be at least a couple prospects in this safety class that that Pats have graded as "day one starter" who could be available in the #23-#43 range, but very possibly no later than that. Since it happens so rarely that potential "day-one starter" safeties fall anywhere near the Pats typical pick range, it seems at least somewhat likely that the Pats could take this opportunity to select one.
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LB - Although the Pats often use only two LBs (and rarely more than three), they have only Hightower and Van Noy as "proven starters", especially for ILB/MLB assignments. A "day-one starter" prospect could immediately make significant contributions as the third LB, and as a high-use rotational player for 2-LB sets. A second "potential starter" grade draftee could become an immediate upgrade over one of the current reserves, and also see a decent snap count in rotation.
... It seems like there may be as many as 3 or 4 "day-one starter" level prospects available in the #23-#63 range - perhaps even a couple more if you include OLB/edge types. It doesn't seem to me to be outside the realm of possibility that the Pats double-dip here - unless they're pretty certain that one or more of Rivers (IR), Langi (IR), Roberts and M.Flowers is likely to be the equivalent of any 2018 prospect who's likely to be available to them when they pick.
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"DE" - Since, at this moment, I'm not seeing a pressing need for a 3-4 type DE (6'4"+, ~290-300 lbs), I'll assume that we're discussing primarily 4-3DE type prospects (6'2"+, 260-280 lbs), rather than 3-4DE types or even OLB/edge types. [BB may see things much differently, though.]
... In 2016, when the Pat had Nink, Flowers, Sheard and Long on the roster at 4-3DE, those four ended up averaging nearly equal snaps per game in different pairings (bracketing Branch and Brown in the middle). All four were essentially "starters", and that turned out to be a very effective and resilient approach. Currently, the Pats have Wise, Clayborn and Flowers (who's a UFA at the end of the season, and who may be unaffordable). Behind them, they have Lee (who at least showed some promise in his pseudo-rookie season), and Davis (untested, coming off INJ) ... and Hightower, possibly. A "day-one starter" prospect could make substantial contributions in a regular four-man rotation, and be ready for a larger role in 2019 if Flowers walks.
... At least a few "day-one starter" types - for the way the Pats use them in their scheme - will likely still be available at #23 and a couple might still be available as late as #95.
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CB - For 2018, after Gilmore and J-Mac, evaluations seem a tad less certain for the next two on the depth chart (Rowe, JJ). After them, things get really shaky (Cy Jones, Lewis). For 2019, the situation may become dire, since only Gilmore and Cy Jones are under contract beyond the end of the 2018 season. So, selecting a 2018 CB prospect who's graded anywhere from "3" (developmental) and "1" (day-one starter) may be appropriate.
... While CB draft classes are typically much deeper than Safety draft classes, CB draft classes often turn out to be not quite as deep as they're proclaimed to be pre-draft. So, if the Pats coaches deem selecting a "day-one starter" type as the most appropriate, that may need to happen by #63.
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TE - While there certainly appears to be an opening for a #2 in-line TE ("day one starter") on the roster, I'm, not at all certain that there's a prospect in this draft who is capable of filling it.
... As BB himself has said, TE may be the most difficult position to learn in the Pats offense. A TE needs to understand and execute nearly everything that and O-lineman does, AND to understand and execute nearly everything a WR does. So, a TE prospect who has shown little or no aptitude for blocking is probably not even on the Pats board, regardless how well he may run routes and catch. Then, the question becomes, "Is there a TE prospect in this draft who has demonstrated sufficiently high aptitude at both blocking and receiving ("day-one starter" grade) that he'd represent more immediate value to the team than the safety, DE, LB, OL or QB that they might need to forego in order to select him in the 1st or 2nd round?" If so, that TE prospects contributions on offense could be substantial almost immediately. If not, they may add a prospect in the 6th or 7th or as a UDFA as OTA/Camp competition for Allen, Niklas, Hollister and Tye.
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RB - Since BB appears to favor an RBBC that features more more less interchangeable Swiss Army Knife type players in a regular rotation who can all run, catch and pass-protect fairly well, I'm not sure how the "day one starter" designation would actually apply here. In terms of being a contributor/"potential starter" (IOW, one of the three gameday actives), a prospect would need to be able to grasp the blocking schemes and the passing system quickly, and outperform both Gillislee and Hill in OTAs and Camp, to see significant playing time. The prospect would need to surpass at least one of Hill/Gillislee in order to even make the roster.
... It seems to me that's very nearly as likely to happen with a 4th or 6th round prospect as it would be with an RB prospect taken in the 1st or 2nd, so I don't expect one of the picks from #23 thru #63 to be used on an RB.
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WR - A young prospect could have some value as added competition for the "old favorites" who are already on the summer WR menu, but the "need" to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on one (at the expense of a prospect for some other position) seems to be approximately zero from my perspective.
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CHEERLEADER - Has anyone considered drafting a cheerleader with one of the top four picks yet? Have there been any scouting reports posted? Or, more importantly, "highlight" tapes? Should we start a thread for that?
 
I am not expecting much contribution if any at all...

- A run down of positions:

QB - Nope, a rookie won't contribute unless Brady gets hurt.

RB - Possible for a two down guy to emerge from this draft class, but not the pass catching RB, IMO.

FB - Nope..Develin is getting all of the few snaps we have a FB in at.

TE - Maybe a #2 guy could beat out Allen. #3 could beat out Hollister/Niklaus...but won't play a lot unless Gronk gets hurt or we play a lot of 2TE formations...but we usually bring the 2nd TE to block.

OL - Maybe at LG someone could supplant Thuney. We are solid with Andrews, Mason, and Cannon. I think Waddle is our LT..if not him..Orlando Brown in the draft??? Dunno...this is Brady's blindside and Scars likes continuity.

DL - We are loaded at DT with Shelton/Brown. Maybe a 3rd DT could earn snaps over Guy/Butler/Valentine... and at DE we got a lot of competition too...but a talented pass rusher would earn snaps no matter what moreso if he can also set the edge.

LB - We play two LB's most of the time...and Hightower/Van Noy are the guys here. But a rookie could earn time here with speed for sure.

CB - Loaded here...even without Butler. Not seeing a rookie even doing better than #4 on the depth chart behind Gilmore/Rowe/McCourty. But a rookie could earn time as a slot corner though as I am unsure about having Rowe slide in the slot...and we have J.Jones there too.

S - Loaded with McCourty/Chung/Harmon. Hell, Jordan Richards only played 272 snaps last year with 41 coming in week 1 and another 30 in week 17 for a total of 25% of our defensive snaps. The big three all played 700+ snaps.

K - We are set here.

P - Possible...but don't think so.

LS - BB is a Navy guy. No chance...even after a bad snap in the SB.

KOR - With Patterson on the roster...would have to be a very electrifying rookie...

PR - Possible, but we have a lot of competition here.

So....LB, DE, OL, and RB basically...with the rest only as a developmental or rotation guy.
Speaking of our safeties. What if one of our trio is injured? Aren't t we in deep s*** then?
 
Isn't that Richards' nickname?
Definitely. It is a matter of Patriots aim. If we want to be in a pursue of top 3 in draft or lose something important,let's say SuperBowl just let Richards be Richard.That would be easier.
 
From this draft class,I expect to see players in rotation at de,olb and cb. Eventually, someone from this draft will take over at butler’s old spot.
 
Got Rivers coming back who always seems to be a forgotten factor. Whether he plays de/lb remains to be seen, but it seems like a safe bet that he is almost a bonified 2018 draft pick considering the injury and not being able to play in his rookie season. Had huge upside with many pundits claiming he could of been the best defensive impact in last years draft.

Still want another LB and safety in this draft as well as another CB.
 
It is not splashy but I hope the Patriots go for a series of doubles by taking the BPA based on their rating scale (link to scale). As usual they have a fairly complete roster even before the draft, taking BPA helps improve overall depth and the competition level.

Executive Summary - I can make a case for any positional unit in the top two rounds

Expectations by round
23,31- in rotation year 1
63- quality depth
95- special teams or specialist (Pass rush, Nickel corner, etc.)
205, 210, 219- hope for the best, bottom of roster

Position Justification Value & Potential players in rounds 1-2
  • LB - Obvious need, more athleticism is needed although a 3rd Safety is really playing a LB role in sub packages Not great value early in draft unless player is a difference maker, LBs can generally be found later and are relatively cheap Smith (maybe he falls), Vander Esch, Evans
  • EDGE - Need but reaching for a player who may be considered a specialist is not a value play. BB generally likes 1st rounders to play all 3 downs. Good value, edge players are expensive and the goods ones go fast Davenport, Landry in round 1; Hubbard, Key in round 2
  • CB - Unit is in pretty good shape but some youth would not hurt See Malcolm Bulter, always worth having a lot of quality CBs at an expensive position Jackson, Hughes, Davis, Oliver
  • S - Good set of starters but some youth won't hurt and Chung plays a style where he is often hurt Not great value early in draft unless player is a difference maker, Safeties can generally be found later and are relatively cheap Not a lot in the Pats range in round 1, round 2 has players like Reid, Harrison, Allen. I would wait to end of round 2 or later for any Safety.
  • OT - Unit needs to be improved but may not be a quality option in this years draft High value position, see Solder Not sure how they rate these guys also not a strong class. Should have the option of one of McGlinchey or Williams at 23 then Miller, Rankin, Crosby, O'Neil in round 2.
  • WR - Another unit that is pretty good shape but it older, some youth / speed wouldn't hurt On the market WRs cost a lot, better to develop through draft A player like Ridley could fall to 23, lots of talent in round 2, Kirk, Moore, Chark
  • Center / Guard - Unit is ok, just ok. A top end player at Center or Guard improves the overall depth of the OL Not great value unless the player can step right in If they really like Price, Daniels or Ragnow I would be ok with a 1st rounder. It would basically imply that they see an above average starter who would improve the depth of the interior line.
  • DT - Decent depth but an upfield player like Hurst or if Payne slips there is an opportunity. Not great value unless the player can step right in Hurst, Payne
  • QB - Sooner or later Looks to be an early run, possibility that there is value if someone falls or in round 2-3. Benefit of taking a QB in round 1 is the extra year (5 year contract vs. 4), personally I would rather they wait until later rounds or even next year but if they like Rudolf or Jackson then who I am to judge.
  • RB - Again decent depth but RBs are undervalued, opportunity to grab a high end talent. Runs counter to Patriots approach with running backs. I would prefer not to enter part 2 of the Maroney experiment Jones, Guice, Michel, Penny should be there at 31 and even into round 2. RB is not exactly a premium position but maybe a high level player falls. Cannot argue with the success Hunt and Kamara had last year.
  • TE - Depth and health are big concerns Not an especially high value position, unless they really like someone I would wait until round 2 at the earliest. Geski, Hurst, Goedert , Thomas all look like big slot WRs but could offer an big target.
 
I am not expecting much contribution if any at all...

- A run down of positions:

QB - Nope, a rookie won't contribute unless Brady gets hurt.

RB - Possible for a two down guy to emerge from this draft class, but not the pass catching RB, IMO.

FB - Nope..Develin is getting all of the few snaps we have a FB in at.

TE - Maybe a #2 guy could beat out Allen. #3 could beat out Hollister/Niklaus...but won't play a lot unless Gronk gets hurt or we play a lot of 2TE formations...but we usually bring the 2nd TE to block.

OL - Maybe at LG someone could supplant Thuney. We are solid with Andrews, Mason, and Cannon. I think Waddle is our LT..if not him..Orlando Brown in the draft??? Dunno...this is Brady's blindside and Scars likes continuity.

DL - We are loaded at DT with Shelton/Brown. Maybe a 3rd DT could earn snaps over Guy/Butler/Valentine... and at DE we got a lot of competition too...but a talented pass rusher would earn snaps no matter what moreso if he can also set the edge.

LB - We play two LB's most of the time...and Hightower/Van Noy are the guys here. But a rookie could earn time here with speed for sure.

CB - Loaded here...even without Butler. Not seeing a rookie even doing better than #4 on the depth chart behind Gilmore/Rowe/McCourty. But a rookie could earn time as a slot corner though as I am unsure about having Rowe slide in the slot...and we have J.Jones there too.

S - Loaded with McCourty/Chung/Harmon. Hell, Jordan Richards only played 272 snaps last year with 41 coming in week 1 and another 30 in week 17 for a total of 25% of our defensive snaps. The big three all played 700+ snaps.

K - We are set here.

P - Possible...but don't think so.

LS - BB is a Navy guy. No chance...even after a bad snap in the SB.

KOR - With Patterson on the roster...would have to be a very electrifying rookie...

PR - Possible, but we have a lot of competition here.

So....LB, DE, OL, and RB basically...with the rest only as a developmental or rotation guy.
Personally I think Cannon is the LT, but in reality my guess is as good as yours.

As to the LB's, with the Shelton signing I'm thinking that we might see a little more 3-4 this season in the mix. We finally have 3-4 DE's available in Brown, Guy, and Wise (to a lesser degree) to run it well. If that's so, then the LB's are going to get more snaps. Guys like Rivers and all the speed LB's that have been linked to the Pats (Evans, Esch, etc) would all benefit from playing in a 3-4 set. So I can see a high draft pick LB making a "contribution" in a defensive rotation this season, but none that will make an "impact".


Same goes for CB, S, and Edge rusher. In those positions, there COULD be contributors coming from the first 4 picks, but again no impact player.

I'm curious about your Thuney comment. Were you less than pleased with his performance this year? Again, I don't see an offensive lineman within our reach that be a starter this season. jmho.

With the Hill signing and Burkhead Gillislee and White returning, I don't see a rookie RB contributing much unless there are a slew of injuries at the position. Unfortunately RB IS a position where a rookie can come in an make an impact early.

Every year this team schemes its way to 40+ sacks and a reasonable amount of pressure. It would be nice to find a guy who simply can beat his guy one on one and demands double teams. They CAN be found where the Pats are picking in the first 2 rounds but none will be the "sure thing" that can be found in the top 10 picks of the draft. Anyone we get will have holes in their game, or be coming off an injury, or some other flaw that will make them a risk. I guess you can only hope to find that diamond in the rough like TFlowers. Unfortunately EVERY team in the league is looking for that guy.
 
Was the comment below about IOL's? If so, I agree.

I any case, do you think that anyone at 23 or later is capable of starting at RT?

Also, do you consider McGlinchey out of our reach (many think so; I'm just asking)?

Personally I think Cannon is the LT, but in reality my guess is as good as yours.

Again, I don't see an offensive lineman within our reach that be a starter this season. jmho.
 
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