Aaron Dobson

[mikey m]

Go check out the draft forum's past threads, or just ask Manxman about it. I didn't care about Dobson/Allen myself, but others clearly wanted Allen. I was more focused on the team getting Wheaton as the second WR, as opposed to Boyce.

Who is this Manxman fellow and when might I be able place my lips upon thy shaft? Too far? I'm not sure you should continue to announce your affinity for Wheaton though. After a visit to the steelers forum, many of them seem to feel the same about Wheaton that you and others here feel about Dobson. Who knows how he will turn out though. If he never becomes at least a very good #2 though would you say that the Steelers screwed up by drafting him?

 

[Deus Irae]

Who is this Manxman fellow and when might I be able place my lips upon thy shaft? Too far? I'm not sure you should continue to announce your affinity for Wheaton though. After a visit to the steelers forum, many of them seem to feel the same about Wheaton that you and others here feel about Dobson. Who knows how he will turn out though. If he never becomes at least a very good #2 though would you say that the Steelers screwed up by drafting him?

Manxman is one of the biggest draftniks around here, and one of the better posters, as well, though he'll disagree with my praise of him just because I said it.

As for Wheaton, I don't hide from my choices, and I'd still be interested in seeing him on the Patriots as a WR3/WR4 type. Also, if the Steelers want to trade Wheaton for Boyce, I'm all for it.

 

[mikey m]

Manxman is one of the biggest draftniks around here, and one of the better posters, as well, though he'll disagree with my praise of him just because I said it.

As for Wheaton, I don't hide from my choices, and I'd still be interested in seeing him on the Patriots as a WR3/WR4 type. Also, if the Steelers want to trade Wheaton for Boyce, I'm all for it.

Can't disagree with the Boyce for Wheaton deal. But I was hoping to get an answer about declaring the Markus Wheaton pick a screw up if his career path is mediocre. Or would part of you agree with others here that you can get a bad result without necessarily having made a bad decision? As far as the draft goes anyway

 

[Deus Irae]

Can't disagree with the Boyce for Wheaton deal. But I was hoping to get an answer about declaring the Markus Wheaton pick a screw up if his career path is mediocre.

Well, for me, the idea of Wheaton was to be the WR3/WR4, so a mediocre career is all I was looking for. Anything more would be gravy.

If you want to look at a screw up pick I wanted, Titus Young is a great example. I loved the kid's talent, and it was clear that he had some pretty good NFL skills, but his 10 cent head made that moot.

Or would part of you agree with others here that you can get a bad result without necessarily having made a bad decision? As far as the draft goes anyway

Absolutely. I put the Brandon Tate pick in that category. He clearly flamed out in New England as a receiver, but I was fine with BB taking a flier at that point in the draft. And the kid's actually still in the league, serving as a return guy for the Bengals.

 

[mikey m]

Well, for me, the idea of Wheaton was to be the WR3/WR4, so a mediocre career is all I was looking for. Anything more would be gravy.

If you want to look at a screw up pick I wanted, Titus Young is a great example. I loved the kid's talent, and it was clear that he had some pretty good NFL skills, but his 10 cent head made that moot.




Absolutely. I put the Brandon Tate pick in that category. He clearly flamed out in New England as a receiver, but I was fine with BB taking a flier at that point in the draft. And the kid's actually still in the league, serving as a return guy for the Bengals.

Ok fair enough then I can understand putting Dobson in the screwup category. I'll just keep hoping the bad pick turns out a good result

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I am quite confident that if the pats had taken Allen instead of Dobson this board would have been up in arms about taking such a slow receiver with injury concerns and on the verge of retiring in the 2nd round. If any of the armchair GMs around here though can link to their post during the 2013 draft where they declared that Keenan Allen would have been a much better selection then I will bow down and admit that BB can't draft and surely can't compete with your scouting prowess. Serious.

Who is this Manxman fellow and when might I be able place my lips upon thy shaft? Too far? I'm not sure you should continue to announce your affinity for Wheaton though. After a visit to the steelers forum, many of them seem to feel the same about Wheaton that you and others here feel about Dobson. Who knows how he will turn out though. If he never becomes at least a very good #2 though would you say that the Steelers screwed up by drafting him?

Thank you. I wasn't a member and a user of this website back during the 2013 draft. However I did follow and do a lot of individual player scouting leading up to the draft, as I have done for the past several years. I was furious when the pats passed up on Allen in favor of Dobson. I was really high on him coming out of College. Everything about his skill set screamed Patriot. 6'3 possession receiver who can line up anywhere on the field with success, runs great routes, and has top notch separation skills. I personally thought Allen was a better prospect then Justin Blackmon who went number 5 in the previous years draft. Granted, that was a horrible Draft for WR Talent, but I still feel like Allen was a better talent. He was clearly a mid-late First round talent who was falling for various reasons. I never ever believed he would make it to the end of the second, when he was, and the pats picked Dobson, I was Shocked and angry. If we can take risks and select safeties in the 2nd round that we don't need, or draft top talent who have two blown ACl's we could've and should've taken the chance on Allen. Remember, this was before AH ruined the possibility of the team taking any future chances on players with off field issues. I can't even imagine what our offense would be like right now with him in it. Talk about Game Plan nightmares for defensive coordinators. I think it would be on the level of 07!

 

[BigPeteG]

Damn a lot of bashing for a guy who could turn out to be pretty good.. Dobson off to a good start and was having a good rookie year..

 

[JMC00]

Really hope Dobson has a good year to shut some of you up. Although even if he does some of you will still hate him because he wasn't one of your '13 draft binky WRs

 

[PatCat]

Really hope Dobson has a good year to shut some of you up. Although even if he does some of you will still hate him because he wasn't one of your '13 draft binky WRs

Im pulling for the guy and i get the feeling he is going to do some special things this year but I will admit that I turned my TV off when we picked Dobson over Allen.

 

[VrabelJr]

I am quite confident that if the pats had taken Allen instead of Dobson this board would have been up in arms about taking such a slow receiver with injury concerns and on the verge of retiring in the 2nd round. If any of the armchair GMs around here though can link to their post during the 2013 draft where they declared that Keenan Allen would have been a much better selection then I will bow down and admit that BB can't draft and surely can't compete with your scouting prowess. Serious.

Most of the draftniks (myself included) were really high on Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins. I can't speak for everyone but I wasn't mad at the Dobson pick. I didn't study him very much because I liked Allen and Hopkins so much but from watching Dobson's videos on YouTube he seemed like a good player. Dobson could still turn out to be good. He had a really weird last year. But I think a lot of us around here will be a lot more relaxed once Brandon LaFell is back.

 

[mikey m]

Thank you. I wasn't a member and a user of this website back during the 2013 draft. However I did follow and do a lot of individual player scouting leading up to the draft, as I have done for the past several years. I was furious when the pats passed up on Allen in favor of Dobson. I was really high on him coming out of College. Everything about his skill set screamed Patriot. 6'3 possession receiver who can line up anywhere on the field with success, runs great routes, and has top notch separation skills. I personally thought Allen was a better prospect then Justin Blackmon who went number 5 in the previous years draft. Granted, that was a horrible Draft for WR Talent, but I still feel like Allen was a better talent. He was clearly a mid-late First round talent who was falling for various reasons. I never ever believed he would make it to the end of the second, when he was, and the pats picked Dobson, I was Shocked and angry. If we can take risks and select safeties in the 2nd round that we don't need, or draft top talent who have two blown ACl's we could've and should've taken the chance on Allen. Remember, this was before AH ruined the possibility of the team taking any future chances on players with off field issues. I can't even imagine what our offense would be like right now with him in it. Talk about Game Plan nightmares for defensive coordinators. I think it would be on the level of 07!

Must say I didn't think Allen would be doing much separating from any cb 1/2 in this league running a 4.71 (I'm not usually one to obsess over workout numbers but never got past that one) and didn't see anything wrong with taking a guy more like Dobson who finally seemed like that take-the-top-off-the-defense guy. Didn't think we needed yet another possession/chain moving receiver.

As far as some of the the stranger selections BB has made, including all of the apparent safety reaches in the last few years, *puts on rose colored glasses* at this point I'm going to chalk it up to the genius of the goat coach and his staff. Yes, despite the fact that to most of us, quite a few of these guys never have/never will live up to their draft status. I can't even pretend know half of what this coaching staff puts into each decision. I mean, seeing all the ineptitude going on in the league right now (dolphins can't get suh to even follow a game plan , bills players with 421379 personal fouls, just lol at the colts, lol at the eagles, and much more) and then watching the Do Your Job special. Well I don't think I'll ever complain about a coaching decision from this staff again. Just going to enjoy it while we've got it.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Really hope Dobson has a good year to shut some of you up. Although even if he does some of you will still hate him because he wasn't one of your '13 draft binky WRs

He's becoming the new Laurence Maroney of the board. He is creating that kind of dichotomy right now. Sunday was very encouraging. I hope he can build on it so that his career here does not go the way of Laurence Maroney's.

 

[varjao]

Allen had injuries red flags in that draft, the Patriots had 0 WR at that moment and after the Ras IR Dowling fiasco I understand going with a less risky pick with lots of potential and fitting a need. Not that I think BB gives a shi.t about what people would think had he drafted Allen and turned out to be another Ras IR. I don't know what goes in BB's mind, I believe the decision was made based on his skill set and potential.

The design was to have Hernandez and Gronk playing a big role in that season, then Hernandez started to kill people and Gronk had that string of surgeries in his arm and them one last surgery in his back, 5 surgeries in one off-season if I'm not mistaken. They probably would have red shirted Dobson, but they had to go plan B or even plan C after all these facts.

 

[DaBruinz]

First, you keep asking for "facts" about things that can't really be proven. I sent you a link that reported his route running abilities like you asked.
If you think I don't understand how our offense works, you are just plain stupid. You're the one who seems to be making the claim like there's some highly known fact that Allen can't run routes or has issues learning A playbook. Going by his outstanding ability to find holes and sit in zone coverages, I would be very confident in saying he has a good enough ability to read coverages and make adjustments the Pats offense calls for. We all know the patriots playbook is the hardest to learn in the NFL, but you're making it out to be like you need to be a Genius to get it down.
Not to mention, both Keenan Allen and Aaron Dobson had Wonderlic test scores of 19. So basically they had the same football IQ coming out of college. If you want to try to argue that Dobson was a better college player and had a better, more patriots suited skill set, then I really don't have time to argue with you. Injury concerns aside and going off of his success with the Chargers, I'm confident he would've been a better pick then Dobson.

Clearly the issue is your inability to understand what is actually being said. I made no claims about Dobson's or Allen's abilities. What I DID ask you were 2 very specific questions about Allen. I asked:

How do you know that Allen could have performed in this offense?
How do you know that Allen could have handled the coaching style?

I then expanded on the first by pointing out that the WRs are required to know which route to switch two based on the WRs read of the defense at the line and that the route has to match what Brady would expect you to switch two.

Many successful veteran WRs have tried to come in and learn the Pats system and work with the Pats coaching. Most of them have failed miserably. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Brandon Lafell have been the exceptions. The most recent being Reggie Wayne who said it was "No Fun".

As patchick pointed out:

Agreed, Allen's skills weren't in question, but just about everything else was. He had significant knee and ankle injuries, a flagged Combine drug test, and there were lots of reports of a bad attitude turning teams off in interviews.

You add this to the story that JMC00 pointed out that Allen nearly quit pro football because he wasn't dressed for his first professional game, and you have a hard time convincing anyone that Allen could have handled the Pats coaching.

The fact that you claim that Allen would have been a better pick based on his San Diego accomplishments shows that you do not understand that there is no comparison between the two offenses.

 

[DaBruinz]

Probably the same place he's getting his information that Keenan Allen can't learn a playbook. His own head!

Clearly you can't follow a conversation since you are getting Deus and myself confused.. BTW, Neither one of us said that Allen couldn't learn a play-book. That's all in YOUR head.

 

[Joey007]

Really hope Dobson has a good year to shut some of you up. Although even if he does some of you will still hate him because he wasn't one of your '13 draft binky WRs

What happens when you take the binky away from an infant?

Waaaaaaah....

 

[mihap]

Oh boy wat a boring debate.
U cant compare Allen and Dobson. Dobson proves that he can play in new england system, i dont think that Allen would be able to do it. ANd dont care bout better combine numbers

 

[skinnydog]

Wait, how did I end up in a Keenan Allen thread

 

[MUFC7]

I think that a discussion over a 2013 draft pick shows just how good it is to be a Pats fan atm.

Brady's revenge tour, Colts/Ravens suckage, much less Framegate talk. What a refreshing change.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

we are all pulling for dobson cuz we need another WR to step up