Deossie why all the love

[patsgo]

hes a ivy league player who performed well at the combine, we know his dad thats what makes him famous to us, but he looks like a real project to me, there has been alot of players who have performed at the combine that is similiar to him, and have also have played at a much higher level and havent made it, what is it, if any one can tell me makes this guy so popular for a guy that played at brown, dont give me his cone times because i can give you a 100 guys who had similiar and didnt last long in this league, he looks like matt chattam a good special teams player, sorry steve

 

[DaBruinz]

Gee, I didn't realize that people wanting Deossie with a 3rd or 4th rounder was "showing his so much love."

Now, to bring you up to speed, DeOssie is more than just a work-out warrior. He is DAMN SMART. Was a candidate for the award for Best Defensive player in the country.

Not only does he have TANGIBLE ASSETS (speed, size, ability), he also has the intangibles (leadership, willingness to do whatever it takes, smarts).

DeOssie has also been around the Patriots as a Ballboy. To the point where, one time, BB put him in as the Scout Squad QB and he did the drills properly. Everything about him SCREAMS Patriot-Type player who will probably need 2 years to get up to speed, but, once there, will be very similar to Mike Vrabel.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Let's start with prototypical size and speed for a pro 3-4 linebacker.
6-4, 250 lbs, 4.58 40 time.

This is a guy with a body that is ready to play in the pros. A lot of the linebackers we are talking about in the 1st round are in fact undersized and need to gain about 10-15 lbs if they were to play in the Pats system.
Patrick Willis 242 lbs
Beason 237 lbs
Timmons 235 lbs
etc. etc.

Let's continue with the intangibles. A leader on defense at Brown, a high character guy, a guy who was the ballboy for the Patriots, a guy that BB knows personally. In terms of intangibles the Patriots probably know more about this guy than any other player in the draft.

Let's talk about versatility. DeOssie has played all along the defensive line including outside and inside linebacker positions. DeOssie also is not afraid to get his hands dirty and play special teams. BB values versatility.

Let's finish with value. For the reasons that you mentioned, mainly small school and level of competition, DeOssie will likely slip the the 3rd/4th round area. Any player taken in the 3rd to 4th round is going to have some warts, why not take a guy with prototypical size, versatility, and high character to develop as a "project" to play either outside or inside linebacker for you?

Hope that answers your question in a nutshell. The actual question should be why NOT all the love and why shouldn't he be taken higher? For a 3rd or 4th round selection though DeOssie presents excellent value at a position for the Pats that could use an injection of youth.

 

[patsgo]

Gee, I didn't realize that people wanting Deossie with a 3rd or 4th rounder was "showing his so much love."

Now, to bring you up to speed, DeOssie is more than just a work-out warrior. He is DAMN SMART. Was a candidate for the award for Best Defensive player in the country.

Not only does he have TANGIBLE ASSETS (speed, size, ability), he also has the intangibles (leadership, willingness to do whatever it takes, smarts).

DeOssie has also been around the Patriots as a Ballboy. To the point where, one time, BB put him in as the Scout Squad QB and he did the drills properly. Everything about him SCREAMS Patriot-Type player who will probably need 2 years to get up to speed, but, once there, will be very similar to Mike Vrabel.

if he played in a major conference i could see your point, because he was a ball boy has nothing to do with anything,he looks like a special teamer to me , playing at a conferece like the ivy league, means hes a real project, id take my chances on a guy who has played with better competition

 

[DaBruinz]

if he played in a major conference i could see your point, because he was a ball boy has nothing to do with anything,he looks like a special teamer to me , playing at a conferece like the ivy league, means hes a real project, id take my chances on a guy who has played with better competition

Umm, being a patriots ball-boy has LOTS to do with it. You seemed to have glossed over the part where BB put him in and he did the QB drills the way BB wanted.

As for your other assumptions, Jerry Rice came from the "powewrhouse college "Mississippi Valley State. You might have heard of him. The level of competition wasn't nearly that of Brown.

As for what you'd take your chances on, good for you. BB looks at VALUE. From where MANY of us stand (and as VJC pointed out), DeOssie provides just that sort of VALUE. Tanglibles, Intangibles and Versatility.

OH, one last thing, to be considered for the award of BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE NATION should raid a huge green flag for you. It means that people a lot smarter than either you or I looked and saw a player who ranks up there with the Patrick Willis' and Paul Posluzsny's of the defense.

BTW, its pretty stupid to totally rule a 3rd or 4th round player out just because of the level of competition he played against. If DeOssie can come in and take the place of Corey Mays on special teams while he learns the complete system, its a helluva lot better than "someone coming from proven competition" who doesn't have the special teams knowledge already.

 

[patsgo]

Gee, I didn't realize that people wanting Deossie with a 3rd or 4th rounder was "showing his so much love."

Now, to bring you up to speed, DeOssie is more than just a work-out warrior. He is DAMN SMART. Was a candidate for the award for Best Defensive player in the country.

Not only does he have TANGIBLE ASSETS (speed, size, ability), he also has the intangibles (leadership, willingness to do whatever it takes, smarts).

DeOssie has also been around the Patriots as a Ballboy. To the point where, one time, BB put him in as the Scout Squad QB and he did the drills properly. Everything about him SCREAMS Patriot-Type player who will probably need 2 years to get up to speed, but, once there, will be very similar to Mike Vrabel.

you make my point by saying he's 3rd or 4 th round material thats the love im talking about, hes a 6th or 7th or udf on my board, hed be good value there, but would definetly be a reach where you want him, stop listening to eei

 

[VJCPatriot]

you make my point by saying he's 3rd or 4 th round material thats the love im talking about, hes a 6th or 7th or udf on my board, hed be good value there, but would definetly be a reach where you want him, stop listening to eei

And according to your draft board Deion Branch should have been a 6th or 7th round pick too because of his small school and level of competition, but today we stand with a 1st round pick for him and several years of his superbowl quality service in hand.

Please let us know about every other player that is overvalued according to your draft board. I'm sure the GMs of the NFL are just breathless waiting for your pearls of wisdom.

 

[DaBruinz]

you make my point by saying he's 3rd or 4 th round material thats the love im talking about, hes a 6th or 7th or udf on my board, hed be good value there, but would definetly be a reach where you want him, stop listening to eei

*ROFLMAO* I bet you said the same thing about Lofa Tatupu last year.

BTW, I am not ignorant. I don't listen to EEI. Unlike you, I look at the total VALUE of a player. YOU just look at one MINOR part of the player and you jump to a huge conclusion.

The fact that you have him as a 6th or 7th pick is down right LAUGHABLE. I bet you would say that Jerry Rice should have been a 6th or 7th round pick. Rice came from a D1-AA (below IVY) school.

Its clear to me that you started this thread to have an argument and to attempt to justify your laughable prediction on DeOssie. I'm done with you because you have absolutely no interest in actually listening to reason.

 

[patsgo]

Umm, being a patriots ball-boy has LOTS to do with it. You seemed to have glossed over the part where BB put him in and he did the QB drills the way BB wanted.

As for your other assumptions, Jerry Rice came from the "powewrhouse college "Mississippi Valley State. You might have heard of him. The level of competition wasn't nearly that of Brown.

As for what you'd take your chances on, good for you. BB looks at VALUE. From where MANY of us stand (and as VJC pointed out), DeOssie provides just that sort of VALUE. Tanglibles, Intangibles and Versatility.

OH, one last thing, to be considered for the award of BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE NATION should raid a huge green flag for you. It means that people a lot smarter than either you or I looked and saw a player who ranks up there with the Patrick Willis' and Paul Posluzsny's of the defense.

BTW, its pretty stupid to totally rule a 3rd or 4th round player out just because of the level of competition he played against. If DeOssie can come in and take the place of Corey Mays on special teams while he learns the complete system, its a helluva lot better than "someone coming from proven competition" who doesn't have the special teams knowledge already.

so let me get this straight your comparing him with jerry rice?and the next linebacker is a patriot ball boy today?i heard he put his son on a scout team to, she we draft him to?well see whos right keep drinking the hometown koolaid

 

[patsgo]

And according to your draft board Deion Branch should have been a 6th or 7th round pick too because of his small school and level of competition, but today we stand with a 1st round pick for him and several years of his superbowl quality service in hand.

Please let us know about every other player that is overvalued according to your draft board. I'm sure the GMs of the NFL are just breathless waiting for your pearls of wisdom.

they arent looking at my board, when you have all the answers, this is a forum and its my opinion, im soory it doesnt agree with yours, oh by the way branch played at lousville not a small school

 

[DaBruinz]

so let me get this straight your comparing him with jerry rice?and the next linebacker is a patriot ball boy today?i heard he put his son on a scout team to, she we draft him to?well see whos right keep drinking the hometown koolaid

I compared the level of competition. But you seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension. The level of competition that Rice faced was a lot WEAKER than what Deossie faced. Yes, that level of competition didn't hurt DeOssie in being named a candidate for the BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Read that again.

BTW, I made my OWN decision a long time ago. Before everyone else jumped on the band-wagon and before DeOssie ran at the combine. It had NOTHING to do with drinking the koolaid.

Instead of actually opening your mind to other's opinions, you'd rather sit there and be ignorant.

 

[DaBruinz]

they arent looking at my board, when you have all the answers, this is a forum and its my opinion, im soory it doesnt agree with yours, oh by the way branch played at lousville not a small school

Louisville is in that great dominating conference called the BIG EAST... You know, the one that all the good teams left and went to the ACC.

The Big East is not nearly as big as the ACC, SEC, or the PAC. Please.

As for your opinion. Its founded on an illogical basis (small school competition cannot equal NFL players). Unfortunately for you, there are people who actually look at ALL the items that go into reviewing a prospect, not just whether the player came from a big school or not.

 

[patsgo]

Louisville is in that great dominating conference called the BIG EAST... You know, the one that all the good teams left and went to the ACC.

The Big East is not nearly as big as the ACC, SEC, or the PAC. Please.

As for your opinion. Its founded on an illogical basis (small school competition cannot equal NFL players). Unfortunately for you, there are people who actually look at ALL the items that go into reviewing a prospect, not just whether the player came from a big school or not.

o k boss im sorry i voiced my opinion, i guess its time for me to "shut it down"

 

[Major **********]

When your opinion is based on personal bias on someone it's useless and adds nothing to the discussion. Bring something more to the table to back up your opinion not just the weak "his competition was the Ivy league". If not don't get pissy when people point out other players that didn't play against tough competition and became good pros. Here is another name for you. Matt Birk. Played at Harvard.
What are your other reasons for saying that the guy is nothing more than a Matt Chatham clone?

 

[Major **********]

Here are a few examples of players that played their college ball against rather underwhelming competition and became good pros.
Rodney Harrison played at Western Illinois in the Mid Continent Conference.
Marques Colston played at Hofstra in the CAA. He was the best rookie WR in last years draft.
Donnald Driver played at Alcorn St in the SWAC.

 

[nickw308810]

I believe that DeOssie can be a good player in our system. He has the physical tools and as far as getting used to playing against higher level of competition, that is why we have the best coach in the NFL to coach him up.
The things I disagree in this threat are Louisville should definitely not be considered a small school. Sure, it isn't an SEC or Big 10 team, but that is still a big football program. I also think most 1AA teams would destroy Ivy league teams in a game. I could be wrong, but I feel there is much more talent coming from 1AA than from Ivy league programs.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

This 2004 article from the Brown Daily Herald might help to explain why a lot of us see Zak DeOssie in Patriot blue.

 

[mcbee]

DeOssie is a major reach. I don't care if he can "run fast", but he didn't even dominate Ivy competition. He isn't known for real physical play, "hasn't shown great instincts"..."lacks power as a hitter". Yeah, that'll work well when he steps up, just slightly, to the NFL. This is the same as a bunch of guys saying that a guy in their high school is "awesome!!"...doesn't mean he could even play college ball. BFD.

He's a project. Maybe he has potential. And so what if he was a ball boy, big deal. Lots of guys are good citizens, decent kids, ball boys whatever. Does every one of them become a star? "No but this one will b/c he was NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT BALL BOY". Oh, well that settles it then.

"But Jerry Rice and blah blah". Yeah, Jerry Rice did well. For every Jerry Rice there are 100 guys who did really well in a small school environment and completely busted in the pros. But he was BB's ball boy so he can't possibly bust.

The OP is right in that you guys are drinking the kool-aid. The word "homer" comes to mind.

SI has him rated a 6th rounder, espn a 5th-6th rounder. Sounds about right. But you homers know better.

 

[mcbee]

This 2004 article from the Brown Daily Herald might help to explain why a lot of us see Zak DeOssie in Patriot blue.

His college newspaper wrote a puff piece on him? Wow!! Sign him up.

You guys are unreal. How many hundreds of college players get write ups like that? ANd from REAL schools not college teams that would have a hard time beating good high school teams.

 

[Major **********]

SI has him rated a 6th rounder, espn a 5th-6th rounder. Sounds about right. But you homers know better.

Kipper has him going in the 4'th in his lattest mock. Does that mean that we do know better know?
I didn't know that the Patritos got their scouting reports form SI and ESPN.