I want out of #28

[RIP#40]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:

CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

 

[danny88]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:

CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

There are teams with 2 second rounders..... Better to go after them.

 

[Remix 6]

Beason and Timmons wont ever sniff 42..they are top 35

 

[RIP#40]

Beason and Timmons wont ever sniff 42..they are top 35

Let's see how it plays out when the pro's are making the picks and not the journalists.

 

[ilduce06410]

if they give up #28....

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:
CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

the more i think about it, RIP#40, the more i think BB/SP will give up #28.
2nd round talent, 1st round money, thus salary cap implications. they may decide to give #28 money to a free agent.
they need impact rookies, not 'we'll groom him for a year'.
this is NOT an old team. the QB, OL, TEs, DLs, and the DBs are young (harrison).
vrabel's 31 and bruschi's 34. pats still need seau for 1 more year. the fact that ryan claridge & katzenmoyer didn't pan out is a major factor in the makeup of today's LB corps. TJ was a surprise. colvin, signed thru '08, is 30.

an IMPACT rookie LB, plus thomas, will likely push pierre woods and alexander into the 'trade bait' category.
a thought: they may package the 2 picks, with alexander, and trade up for a higher #1 and, say, another pick in the top 100.

 

[Remix 6]

Let's see how it plays out when the pro's are making the picks and not the journalists.

oh okay. then why not wait at 28 .. maybe Calvin Johnson falls. did you hear a pro team say hes going top 5? Or just journalist

 

[patsgo]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:

CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

i agree but it will be hard to get trading partners most teams i think would want to stick where they are for thr staed reasons you pointed out

 

[sebman2112]

Beason and Timmons wont ever sniff 42..they are top 35

right now they are top 20-27, seriously.

 

[sebman2112]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:

CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

Ross will likely be available from 28 down, and I don't think he's that great of a CB.

Harris might be on the board at 42, but considering that some label him the best 3-4 ILB in this draft he might go early. I don't expect either Beason or Timmons to be on the board at 42 and they might be gone before the 24th pick. Bradley & Woodley would be good LB's to add into the mix.

Rouse is a Tampa 2 LB, and not a great Safety. I like Piscitelli and Gattis, but I would add Wendling to that list, and Take Rouse out.

Shaw will be there, and Buster Davis (some thing he's to small, though.), Tanard Jackson is expected to go in the mid-second(and he has cheracter issues). I would add guy's like Robison, Lorenzo Booker, and others to your third round talent.

 

[RIP#40]

oh okay. then why not wait at 28 .. maybe Calvin Johnson falls. did you hear a pro team say hes going top 5? Or just journalist

As a matter of fact I've heard Gruden say CJ would not make it past him. My point was not to dump on you but to point out that come picks 20 and beyond its a crap shoot as to where players are selected. As a test of this I'll challenge you to supply me with the first 35 taken in any order and I bet you get at least 20% (7) wrong.

 

[mcbee]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick. As an example, the 49'ers have a second (42) and a third (76), that according to the draft value chart, would be a nice match for the Pat's # 28. Would anybody complain if our first four were:

CB 1st round (24)from Ross, Houston, Revis
LB 2nd round (42) from Harris, Beason, Timmons, Siler
S 3rd round (76) from Rouse, Piscatelli, Gattis
LB/S 3rd round (91) from Shaw, Buster Davis, Tanard Jackson, Michael Johnson maybe even DeOssie.

Don't know how youi can say that. The money goes down as the picks get later in the round. So ixnay on that. The talent supposedly goes down as well. Besides, the team that you trade with will have the same opinion about the worth of the pick as you, so it will be reflected in the market price.

Anyway, I think Griffin of Texas would be a good pick here. I don't think there are any CBs who could step in and play right away...except Revis.
If Samuel stays then no need to trade up for Revis.

Maybe Wilson or someone else is as good but wilson supposedly doesn't have the ball skills that Samuel or REvis have.

I'd say if they keep Samuel, trade the #24 for a 2nd and 3rd.

Draft Griffin at #28, Harris in the 2nd. Bradley with one of the 3rds...then have a 3rd/4th/5th etc to go.

Maybe draft AJ Davis in the 4th or so or Gattis. Also need a RB in the 4th or 5th.

No WR though, don't think there's room.

 

[VJCPatriot]

As a matter of fact I've heard Gruden say CJ would not make it past him. My point was not to dump on you but to point out that come picks 20 and beyond its a crap shoot as to where players are selected. As a test of this I'll challenge you to supply me with the first 35 taken in any order and I bet you get at least 20% (7) wrong.

I agree with you that it's better to trade #28. 2 picks gives you a better chance to land a good player or trade it for a future 2008 pick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: if they give up #28....

the more i think about it, RIP#40, the more i think BB/SP will give up #28.
2nd round talent, 1st round money, thus salary cap implications.

But don't forget, OTOH, that you can sign pick #28 to a five-year contract, while #33 and below are limited to four-year deals.

I'm not saying that in and of itself is reason not to trade down, just that it's something that has to be factored into the equation.

 

[psychoPat]

Profootballtalk is running not just a mock draft - which is as laughable as any other -
but team-by-team draft NEEDS.

Their take on Miami opens some interesting prospects:

If Quinn is gone, the Fins would then be wise to use their two second-rounders to vault back into the bottom of round one for a crack at either Trent Edwards of Stanford or Drew Stanton of Michigan State.

Now who might be squatting handsomely in the bottom of round one
but our inestimable Patriots.

Can you imagine a conversation along these lines:
Phins: "Wanna part with 24 or 28?"
Belioli: "Sure. 28 for both your seconds."
Phins: "No way! And anyway, it's your 24 we're talking about."
Belioli: "Geez, you sure drive a hard bargain.
"But let's say for the moment 24.
"Or better yet ... # 28 for a 2nd this year ... YOUR OWN second ... plus your own 2nd in '08 ... plus your 7th this year.
"You know those 7ths ain't worth a damn and they're just a headstart on UDFAs!"
Phins: "Yeah, but it's still your 24 we're talking about."
Belioli: "Geez, you sure drive a hard bargain!. But it's your 6th this year we're talking about, not your 7th."

Ignoring nuances ... if that is reasonably reasonable, and chanced to go down ... we then would have
retrieved from Miami something BETTER THAN the price of Welker - which was OUR 2nd and 7th.
Plus a high first day pick next year.

Sometimes dreams come true.
Don't they?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Sometimes dreams come true.
Don't they?

Without hard work? Rarely. I choose to believe that there will be teams looking to move up for a falling favorite, the primary issue with 24 are those rascals sitting at 25 targeting much the same players as New England. I'm having trouble visualizing draft tactics the closer we get to the draft, the strategy should be set, now it's up to the onscene commander.

 

[SamBamsFan]

I'm the GM in our mock for the Falcons. Currently, they have two 2nd round picks (39 + 44), and two 4th round picks (109 + 133). They also have two 2nds next year (theirs and Houstons). Given their needs, I can see if certain players start to slide that they might be willing to do a 44 + a second next year to move up. Especially with a new coaching system going into place. For the Patriots, I could see defering one of our 10 picks this year into next (after all, how many of these guys will honestly make the roster?). Thoughts?

 

[Remix 6]

As a matter of fact I've heard Gruden say CJ would not make it past him. My point was not to dump on you but to point out that come picks 20 and beyond its a crap shoot as to where players are selected. As a test of this I'll challenge you to supply me with the first 35 taken in any order and I bet you get at least 20% (7) wrong.

as a matter of fact..it may be a smoke screen. i heard top analyst say Beason is the top LB (until Willis ran a 4.37 at Pro DAy)

 

[captain stone]

Re: if they give up #28....

1) the more i think about it, RIP#40, the more i think BB/SP will give up #28. 2nd round talent, 1st round money, thus salary cap implications.

2) the fact that ryan claridge & katzenmoyer didn't pan out is a major factor in the makeup of today's LB corps. TJ was a surprise.

3) a thought: they may package the 2 picks, with alexander, and trade up for a higher #1 and, say, another pick in the top 100.

1) Ben Watson and Logan Mankins say Good Morning.

2) TJ was drafted by Parcells/Charlie Armey/Grier.

3 Make that another pick in the top 50, and you have a deal; provided, that is, that Revis or Willis is available with the higher #1.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I'm the GM in our mock for the Falcons. Currently, they have two 2nd round picks (39 + 44), and two 4th round picks (109 + 133). They also have two 2nds next year (theirs and Houstons). Given their needs, I can see if certain players start to slide that they might be willing to do a 44 + a second next year to move up. Especially with a new coaching system going into place. For the Patriots, I could see defering one of our 10 picks this year into next (after all, how many of these guys will honestly make the roster?). Thoughts?

Hotlanta is certainly in a good position to go after a player they want. They would also be a possible landing spot for Samuel with multiple picks in both years to juggle - not to mention being an NFC team.

 

[shakadave]

It seems to me in this years draft the #28 pick will get first round money but only have second round talent. I think the Pats should find a willing taker for #28 and get themselves into the first third of the second round and an additional third round pick.

I think this is a wise suggestion. Plus, I never like sitting out the 2nd round. Another option that strikes me as likely is trading #28 for somebody's 2008 #1 (somebody who's not the Colts, SD, etc.)