Good deal??? Holmgren comments on Deion trade.

[tuckeverlasting]

How about dog does Heimlich maneuver on man.....?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007140644,00.html

now, THAT'S a story !

 

[captain stone]

1) In hindsight my only regret is that the Patriots and Branch didn't privately agree not to franchise him this year in return for his playing last year.

2) At the point that "demand" became public knowledge the Patriots couldn't accept those terms as you just can't publically give into any player demands, lest there be major consequences with other players later.

1) I would not have franchised Meion anyway; the tag would have saved for Samuel.

2) The FO did indeed give in, when they traded him to a team that was willing to renegotiate. I would have let him sit the first 10 games, then use him for the final 6 plus playoffs. Maybe he would have been open on 3rd-and-4.

 

[fgssand]

1) I would not have franchised Meion anyway; the tag would have saved for Samuel.

2) The FO did indeed give in, when they traded him to a team that was willing to renegotiate. I would have let him sit the first 10 games, then use him for the final 6 plus playoffs. Maybe he would have been open on 3rd-and-4.

Nah - alls well that ends well:

We get Donte Stallworth and Adalius Thomas with the cap space no Meion provided.

We got rid of the distraction that would be with us right now.

We got the #24 pick in the country.

We did NOT negotiate with a player under contract (beyond offering the same type of extension offered to Brady & Seymour, hopefully offered to Tiny & Vince when it is their turn).

 

[frankiesfly]

I just read that Darryl Jackson might be getting traded. If he does, then we will really get to see how Dieon does in Seattle.

 

[zoostation]

With all due respect, what's he supposed to say, " we got shafted and overpaid". You always put the best face on it regardless of the outcome.
I think that they expected more out of Branch and to be fair, they may see it after a full year in their system. On the other hand if a large part of his success was due to having Tom Brady throwing him the ball, well then that is not going to be duplicated in Seattle..
Just my $0.02,

He doesn't have to comment on it at all.

 

[zoostation]

I agree.

This is a dumb thread.

It’s news to me because as far as I’m concerned he weaseled out of his contract and cost the Patriots another ring. I hope the deal blows up on Seattle. I’m pretty sure the little f@ck never completed 2 seasons in a row without missing time. I hope the trend continues and he never sniffs another shot at a ring.

What’s next…. A Deion Branch “love fest”.

 

[Brarrell]

It’s news to me because as far as I’m concerned he weaseled out of his contract and cost the Patriots another ring. I hope the deal blows up on Seattle. I’m pretty sure the little f@ck never completed 2 seasons in a row without missing time. I hope the trend continues and he never sniffs another shot at a ring.

What’s next…. A Deion Branch “love fest”.

As far as I'm concerned its over and done with. He did what he had to do for his Family or so he says. We came with in a first down from going to the superbowl and he wasn't part of it and with him the year before we didn't make it. I like where we are right now which is a "Wagon" ready to add two top notch defensive players to this team I can't wait.

 

[wrangler]

As some have said 2006 is the past, BUT, I'll be watching Seattle this
year. A full year; SB MVP gets his contract, now we shall see, no?

 

[Captain Cliche]

Of course this has all been beaten to death, but you only give up your first round pick for an impact player.

Deion Branch is not that impact player.


Or...you give up your first for that final piece that gets you to the Superbowl.

Deion Branch was and is not that final piece of the puzzle.

He is a smallish, borderline 1 with durability issues who no longer has Tom Brady throwing to him.

Desperate move by Seattle and BS spin from Holmgren...who now has to sit with his thumb up his ass until the second round of the draft.

 

[zoostation]

Desperate move by Seattle and BS spin from Holmgren...who now has to sit with his thumb up his ass until the second round of the draft.

LMAO

A horrible trade. BB probably would have taken a 2

OK....I agree...even I'm sick of this toppic now....and I started it.

time for this thread to go to sleep. Let's move on.

 

[solman]

Talk about trying to save face after giving up a 1 for Deion.

From the Globe.

Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch totaled 53 catches and four touchdowns in his first season with the Seahawks, but Seattle coach Mike Holmgren still believes he was worth the first-round pick (24th overall) and big salary the team surrendered to acquire him.

"If I got to 24th and I knew I could take Deion Branch, I'd take him," Holmgren said. "It worked out well for Seattle. He'll be a good player for the Seahawks for a long time."

I know DB is and will be a good receiver for the rest of his career, but let's compair him to our first round pick in 2 years. Holmgren is trying to justify this move now that his team has no 1st round pick. Damage control at it's best.

I'm sure Holmgren like to be able to draft Deion branch with the 24th pick in this years draft. He would have to pay DB $9M for five years of service.

Unfortunately for Holmgren, he will not have the opportunity to draft DB. Instead he will pay $39M for six years of service. This is a FAR worse deal than drafting a player of DB's caliber.


The value of draft picks is that they play for less money than they could get in free agency. Seattle paid DB fair market value for his services (and then some). They could have spent this same amount of money on the FA market and gotten similar talent. Seattle gave up their #1 pick for the advantage of acquiring DB immediately and not having to wait for next year.

In all likelihood, five years from now:

Seattle will have received six years of Deion Branch at a cap cost of $39M
New England will have received five years of service from the #24 pick at a cap cost of under $9M.

Given the Patriots recent draft history, there is an excellent chance that five years of service from the #24 will be more valuable than six years of service from DB.

On top of that, the Patriots will have $30M of extra cap space to spend on free agents. 5 years of Adalius Thomas only cost us $35M.

Talent wise, it was an extraordinarily good deal for us, and a terrible deal for Seattle. Holmgren most certainly knows it.

Timing-wise, it didn't work out great for either team..

 

[JoeSixPat]

Of course this has all been beaten to death, but you only give up your first round pick for an impact player.

Deion Branch is not that impact player.


Or...you give up your first for that final piece that gets you to the Superbowl.

Deion Branch was and is not that final piece of the puzzle.

He is a smallish, borderline 1 with durability issues who no longer has Tom Brady throwing to him.

Desperate move by Seattle and BS spin from Holmgren...who now has to sit with his thumb up his ass until the second round of the draft.

Actually I think this is a good trade for both sides.

No question that Branch's contract costs more than a rookie at #24, but in terms of selecting a proven WR at #24, I'd be interested in seeing which WRs are still available, and how they compare to Branch's proven performance.

Then ask yourself if you'd rather have a proven WR like Branch or the rookie WR at #24. I don't know who will be available but I'd be inclined to go with the veteran Branch.

Some trades are actually win wins. Branch wasn't going to play a full season here last season so there's no real point in lamenting the fact that we didn't have him - we did the best thing we could and both the Patriots and Seattle have something to show for it.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I don't know what he is supposed to say? We got robbed? Deion is great? Personally I think he did alright with the trade. They are shopping Darrel Jackson which if successful would look like a brilliant move on the part of getting Deion. I can almost all but guarantee Deion will be better than more than 1/2 the Wr's drafted in the first 2 rounds next month. It's just the law of averages factored in with the valuable experience he doesn't have to waste time teaching Branch.

 

[zoostation]

I can almost all but guarantee Deion will be better than more than 1/2 the Wr's drafted in the first 2 rounds next month. It's just the law of averages factored in with the valuable experience he doesn't have to waste time teaching Branch.

Would you trade him for our number one pick from last years draft?