Is Josh McDaniels any good?

[Deus Irae]

I must apologize, I was previously aware of the stats you are mentioning, i just failed to include that the 5/5 did not include plays within the 2 minute warning, during times when the playcalling HAD to be more urgent. So you are right about that technicaly, but my point remains the same.

The only time McDaniels mixed it up was when he had no other choice. Any other time in games he feels perfectly content calling run plays at times this team has no business running.

Your point doesn't remain the same. Your "point" was wrong. Also, as I also noted earlier, you can check other games (I pointed to the Saints and Jets) for more evidence that your claim doesn't hold water.

Hell, the first drive against the Saints had a pair of incomplete first down passes followed by passes on second down.

 

[Bartmac36]

Your point doesn't remain the same. Your "point" was wrong. Also, as I also noted earlier, you can check other games (I pointed to the Saints and Jets) for more evidence that your claim doesn't hold water.

Do you actually watch the games? Or do you just read the stats sheets after the fact?

And I dont have to go back and check the Saints or Jets game, I remember 6 straight run calls in the red zone vs the saints when we have a chance to put our foot on their throats, and several instances yesterday vs the Jets of completely predictable run plays that went nowhere.

I dont need to look up something I saw happen. I will leave that up to you.

 

[Deus Irae]

Do you actually watch the games? Or do you just read the stats sheets after the fact?

I watch the games. I also look back at them for objective numbers and re-watchings. That's something you should start doing.

And I dont have to go back and check the Saints or Jets game, I remember 6 straight run calls in the red zone vs the saints when we have a chance to put our foot on their throats,

That never happened, either. There was a pass play (pass to Bolden, offsetting penalties), but there was a penalty on the play. Furthermore, Brady clearly audibled on at least two of those plays, so trying to pin those calls on McDaniels makes no sense.

and several instances yesterday vs the Jets of completely predictable run plays that went nowhere.

And now you're just spouting something which can't possibly be countered because of its vagueness.

I dont need to look up something I saw happen.

Obviously you do, since I've shown you to be wrong on your claims.

I will leave that up to you.

Do it yourself. It'll help with your lazy thinking.

 

[Bartmac36]

I watch the games. I also look back at them for objective numbers and re-watchings. That's something you should start doing.



That never happened, either. There was a pass play (pass to Bolden, offsetting penalties), but there was a penalty on the play. Furthermore, Brady clearly audibled on at least two of those plays, so trying to pin those calls on McDaniels makes no sense.



And now you're just spouting something which can't possibly be countered because of its vagueness.



Obviously you do, since I've shown you to be wrong on your claims.



Do it yourself. It'll help with your lazy thinking.

I can honestly say you havent done anything to sway my view or make me feel I am wrong, and its not because I am stubborn, its that you seem to be too involved with breaking down every single recorded stat instead of just watching the game unfold and reacting accordingly.

That is what I do, and to get back to where this all started, when I watch the game and im making sarcastic comments about what play call is gonna happen before it does, then it happens and puts us in a position to go 1/12 or something similar on 3rd down every week, that isnt a good thing.

McDaniels isnt the only problem, but he is a problem. And he is one of the few problems on this team in a position to do something about it, but every week its the same old story.

Can I memorize the box score like you apparently can? No. But that doesnt make me any more wrong than you.

 

[Deus Irae]

I can honestly say you havent done anything to sway my view or make me feel I am wrong, and its not because I am stubborn, its that you seem to be too involved with breaking down every single recorded stat instead of just watching the game unfold and reacting accordingly.

It's because you're not bothering to think, and you're not allowing obvious proof that your claims have been wrong to put you in a position of re-thinking your view. That's pretty clear, as was made evident by the example of the Bengals game.

That is what I do, and to get back to where this all started, when I watch the game and im making sarcastic comments about what play call is gonna happen before it does, then it happens and puts us in a position to go 1/12 or something similar on 3rd down every week, that isnt a good thing.

There are two possible play categories: run and pass. Congrats on guessing correctly sometimes.

McDaniels isnt the only problem, but he is a problem. And he is one of the few problems on this team in a position to do something about it, but every week its the same old story.

Playcalling is not a problem. Every fan base complains about their O.C., and you've been shown that the factually verifiable claims you made were wrong. Again, take a look at what you're complaining about here..... 4 seasons as O.C., Offensive scoring rankings of 7/1/8/1, 2 of the top 5 scoring seasons in NFL History, 3 trips to the AFCCG, and a trip to the SB.

Can I memorize the box score like you apparently can? No. But that doesnt make me any more wrong than you.

Not looking at the box scores doesn't make you more wrong than I am. Being more wrong than I am makes you more wrong than I am.

 

[Bartmac36]

It's because you're not bothering to think, and you're not allowing obvious proof that your claims have been wrong to put you in a position of re-thinking your view. That's pretty clear, as was made evident by the example of the Bengals game.



There are two possible play categories: run and pass. Congrats on guessing correctly sometimes.



Playcalling is not a problem. Every fan base complains about their O.C., and you've been shown that the factually verifiable claims you made were wrong. Again, take a look at what you're complaining about here..... 4 seasons as O.C., Offensive scoring rankings of 7/1/8/1, 2 of the top 5 scoring seasons in NFL History, 3 trips to the AFCCG, and a trip to the SB.



Not looking at the box scores doesn't make you more wrong than I am. Being more wrong than I am makes you more wrong than I am.

Except I am not more wrong that you are. And seeing how its really a matter of opinions, its impossible for either of us to truly be wrong.

You just keep quoting the past scoring teams under Josh like they have relevance to this season.

And its not that im "guessing the playcall sometimes" that bothers me. Its that im guessing HOW the play will turn out, and very often being right. And when I am wrong, I am surprised and pleased. It doesnt happen very often.

Ive been a die hard Pats fan for years, and I can never remember yelling at the TV about bonehead playcalls as much as this season, regardless of the OC. And when I say that, I dont include dropped plays or over thrown passes because those are a whole seperate issue. I am talking play calls that do nothing but hinder momentum and slow down our already hobbled offense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I gave a list of things that people can complain about with more validity, in response to posts bashing the play calling. I noted that some were defensible. I also didn't claim that I had an issue with everything I brought up, and I didn't claim it was an exhaustive list, either. That's not an agenda, it's a response. Personally, for example, I don't blame the team for the Hernandez' signing and I'm not particularly worried that they paid more for Arrington than I thought they would offer him.

Feel free to either put me on ignore or learn to read. Either one would be an improvement.

I know how to read, that's how I was able to understand that this is a discussion about MacDaniel's, which you are either too stupid to understand or too invested in starting an argument to recognize. And your point about roster construction, which that post brought back into question, is what is pitiful, not their roster, which has been able to keep winning despite major losses on both sides of the ball, which is the definition of a strong roster. your agenda against Belichick's roster decisions is well known, as is the fact that it is complete bullsh.t, as their record over the past decade plus has demonstrated. No team wins this much without a good roster, and a 1st grader would understand that much.

 

[detpatsfan]

Josh McDaniels is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL and did an underrated job as HC in Denver.

 

[moejr]

Who was our OC in 2007 when we broke many league records including most TD passes (Brady) and receptions (Moss), most team TDs, most points in a season, and went 16-0 (18-0, really, but whatever)... yep. I thought so. Maybe it's the PLAYERS?

The same OC that BB told to get his head in the game with about 10 mins left in the 4th quarterof SB42. The Jets adjusted for the 2nd half and we didn't. McD is very pigheaded and doesn't like to change his gameplan even if it isn't working.

 

[Triumph]

The same OC that BB told to get his head in the game with about 10 mins left in the 4th quarterof SB42. The Jets adjusted for the 2nd half and we didn't. McD is very pigheaded and doesn't like to change his gameplan even if it isn't working.

McD reminds me of Mike Martz in SB36.

Martz was going to pass because the Pats had that shutdown.

 

[crypto]

Ridley is a really solid back to put it mildly. It's a farce that he gets 13 hand-offs per game and it's a farce that he, Blount, Bolden, and Vereen average a grand total of <22 per game.

There's just no excuse for those numbers.

 

[Deus Irae]

Except I am not more wrong that you are. And seeing how its really a matter of opinions, its impossible for either of us to truly be wrong.

But you are more wrong than I am. You made factually incorrect statements. I didn't. You claimed that the Patriots went 5-5 with the run after incompletes on first down against the Bengals. They didn't. You claimed that they ran the ball 6 straight times in the red zone in the Saints game. They didn't.

You just keep quoting the past scoring teams under Josh like they have relevance to this season.

No, I've also pointed out your errors. You've got nothing factual and are relying on "But I called it!", when we both know that you're nowhere near 100% on that.

 

[Deus Irae]

McD reminds me of Mike Martz in SB36.

Martz was going to pass because the Pats had that shutdown.

I listed the yardage gains on Ridley's runs. Go take a look.

 

[RYObroncosfan]

My opinion? No. Not at all!

In all honesty I did think he had some potential as a HC and even more as an OC, but he does a lot of things that leave you scratching your head.

 

[Deus Irae]

I know how to read, that's how I was able to understand that this is a discussion about MacDaniel's, which you are either too stupid to understand or too invested in starting an argument to recognize. And your point about roster construction, which that post brought back into question, is what is pitiful, not their roster, which has been able to keep winning despite major losses on both sides of the ball, which is the definition of a strong roster. your agenda against Belichick's roster decisions is well known, as is the fact that it is complete bullsh.t, as their record over the past decade plus has demonstrated. No team wins this much without a good roster, and a 1st grader would understand that much.

Your post shows precisely what I claimed. You can't read or you can't comprehend, which are basically the same for the purposes on online discussion. Either way, you're a waste.

Bye

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The more I see Josh call plays,the more I think he sucks ass.

I was not crazy about his return and I certainly am not now.

If this guy ends up being Belichick's successor then he might make Rod Rust look like a HOF Head Coach.

Brady in his glory days could make any OC look good.

 

[Triumph]

If Josh McMartz doesnt have the personnel as some have suggested, then why doesnt he tailor the playcalling to the players?

Thats what Andy Reid is doing in KC. Charlie Weis did more with less.

Almost everytime the Pats dont commit to running that ball, they have problems and become 1 dimensional. The Pats have the best stable of RBs since Dillion and Faulk.

 

[Deus Irae]

If Josh McMartz doesnt have the personnel as some have suggested, then why doesnt he tailor the playcalling to the players?

Thats what Andy Reid is doing in KC. Charlie Weis did more with less.

Almost everytime the Pats dont commit to running that ball, they have problems and become 1 dimensional. The Pats have the best stable of RBs since Dillion and Faulk.

He doesn't have inside guys, so they're throwing the ball to the outside. How is that not tailoring the playcalling?

As for the running, again................ go check the yardage numbers on the Ridley runs.

People complained about Weis' playcalling, too, just like they complained about O'Brien's playcalling. People complain about the playcalling of every O.C

 

[Triumph]

I listed the yardage gains on Ridley's runs. Go take a look.

The Pats ran a total of 70 plays and 20 were runs @ 4.5 yac.

McMartz is infatuated with the pass.

 

[BradyBranch39]

McDaniels was a much better playcaller before he took the St. Louis OC job.

As far as personnel goes... he could not be worse.