Curran: Marshall Faulk not over being cheated out of Super Bowl victory

[Uncle Meat]

First...Faulk and the thread topic is about a different issue which was retracted in print by the accuser and the paper (Herald). You keep ignoring this.

The thread topic spans 14 pages. Many things were discussed, not only that Faulk is a dip**** for questioning the integrity of the Patriots or whatever else.

The suspicions that the Pats were taping prior to the memo are not suspicions. They, the Jets and others were taping. That is a fact. That is likely why Goodell wrote the memo to all teams to stop the practice which in his opinion was detrimental to competition.

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument. Tell that to the judge. If you want to view only the so-called proven evidence (which is quite convenient to many of the aspects of the 'Pats didn't do "much" wrong' argument), then look at it. Who else was busted for cheating?

That's right, nobody else. Nobody else. If you want to exclude anything other than what has been "proven," then you should refrain from using that argument again unless you want to apply it to the whole spectrum of issues surrounding Spygate. In other words, if nobody else was busted for cheating, then nobody else did it. It was never proven that anybody else did it. If you want to open that door, then you have no business so easily knocking down other aspects of the situation for lack of proof. Period.

PERIOD.

Three days gets your panties in a bunch! Ridiculous.
Goodell warned BB and the Pats that if he did not get every single video and it turned out later that there was not 100% compliance the penalties would be even more severe than his already over the top reaction. Were I in charge of the Pats I'd make damn sure that no employee had any copy anywhere, home, at work, on some server, in some off-site backup facility wherever before I bet my career and my franchise saying "That's all of it"

Yeah, because you should always trust the word of people that break the rules in the first place. They were NOT in the up-and-up, were they? This much has been proven.

This is an empty argument here. Your position is that since they were asked to do something, then they did it to the letter. Huh? Nevermind what YOU would do. How in the world would the NFL EVER be able to police the turning over of evidence? That's why nobody that is not a homer trusts the turning over of the tapes. Can you see that? If you are unscrupulous in one area, why should you be expected to be scrupulous in your honesty about said area after being busted for it? You can see how people can think that way at least, can't you? People don't usually hire defense attorneys just to get up there and tell the truth, you know. And I'm talking about PERCEPTION here...perception.

You say "Goodell warned BB and the Pats that if he did not get every single video..." Yeah, they also warned them not to make videos at all. How did that go?

There is a reason for all this ongoing talk, and the reason is not because everybody that disagrees with you, wants to dig deeper, or remains unconvinced are stupid people.

Nice job ignoring the NY paper link citing viewing of said tapes.

Your behavior here is thus is that of a troll with an agenda, not a fan discussing the issue and the facts.

I'm a fan of the game of football, not a Patriots homer. That's the difference here. The only difference.

 

[PatsSox363804]

I agree that the stupidest thing Goodell could have done was claim he destroyed all the tapes two days after receiving them. That turned it into a fiasco. Keep the tapes on file. You don't have to give them all to the media, but let people have their look.

Yeah, it turned this into a much larger story although the possibility still remains that even if every tape were aired people would still say either we didnt turn everything over or we burned the good stuff before Goodell seized it.

 

[robbomango]

Now go back to whatever Morally Pure team you root for and get lost, troll. :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

He/she/it roots for the morally pure and superior Bills, you know the team that scum bag Greg Williams coached for in the early 2000's...

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

surprised he hasn't off-ed himself yet. This guy can't get over something 10+ years ago? Sad really

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

jets fans aren't over it either

Spygate Facts! - Page 5 - TheGangGreen.com Message Board

 

[SVN]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.



Timeline of events and disclosures during Spygate saga - NFL - ESPN

What's the problem with what I said? Was it false?



Refer to above. The obvious point is that the Patriots turned over the evidence themselves. Yeah, why wouldn't they turn over everything, right? They could have easily DECIDED what it was that they were going to turn in given their freedom in the matter, don't you think? Do you disagree with that premise? I can't see how you could.

Do you think the police were brought in, took Belichick hostage and confiscated ALL materials with a knife to his throat? Me neither. This is why there are remaining QUESTIONS as to the actually extent of the rule breaking...not only the evidence that was collected and quickly destroyed, but the actual METHOD of collection to begin with.

Again, I'm talking about why people may have a problem with not trusting the Patriots. Right or wrong, they brought in on themselves and have to live with it. One should never cry about what one brought onto one's self. THAT is the point. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Police ? why not. Why not the CIA ? How do you know nfl investigators didnt come in and take the evidence . ? You are harping the method of collection just because you dont know how it was done .

 

[OMGWTFJUDD]

There was a famous final in a football match once (involving my team) where, late in the game, there was a incident where the ball went close (or over) the field of play line. A player from my team knocked the ball back into play near the goal and we got possession and scored and eventually won the game.

For 20 years I had supporters from the opposing team telling me that victory was tainted. They bought up every scenario as to how the game would have changed if the ball had been called out I'd argue that we still would have won and would give my reasons. It wouldn't help, all I'd ever get was 'you cheated, it's tainted they would drive me nuts.

Then about 10 years ago I changed my attitude and would just say things like "**** yeah the ball was out man, you got ripped""The ball was practically in the seats and we stole it from you HAHAHAHA"

End of argument. They have nowhere to go.


So I would suggest the next person you run into and they say "hey those SB wins are tainted" you just say.

" F*** yeah baby, we got those trophies and you've got f*** all" "we just got some pissant fines, man that was a sweet deal HAHAHAHA" or words to that effect.

Obviously BB can't do this but it a sure fire tactic for fans to shut people up.

It's not the whole truth, but who cares?, you win the battle with the jerk you are arguing with and we keep the trophies. So suck it!!

EDIT: the incident.http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wZpx3QSCyCQ&feature=endscreen

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

only[/B] the so-called proven evidence (which is quite convenient to many of the aspects of the 'Pats didn't do "much" wrong' argument), then look at it. Who else was busted for cheating?

That's right, nobody else. Nobody else. If you want to exclude anything other than what has been "proven," then you should refrain from using that argument again unless you want to apply it to the whole spectrum of issues surrounding Spygate. In other words, if nobody else was busted for cheating, then nobody else did it. It was never proven that anybody else did it. If you want to open that door, then you have no business so easily knocking down other aspects of the situation for lack of proof. Period.

DidI say 2 wrongs made a right? No, I did not.
I said that BB defied the commissioner's memo on camera placement openly.

I also said that "suspected" was inaccurate. The Patriots admitted to the taping. They were not suspected of taping.

You cannot respond to the facts posted, instead choosing to spin off in straw man arguments.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

You guys still trying to feed to troll?

Seriously, he's a lost cause (as are we according to the other side). Try not to convince him or the world, their minds are already made up and set in stone. He makes supposition and claims they are fact. He said tapes has damaging stuff on it because they were destroyed. Yet, nobody else cheated because they didn't get caught.

Ray Lewis never failed a drug test because they don't test for deer antler horn/spray. The fact is, Roger handed down the heavy punishment for ego reasons and to send a warning to all the other teams.

The last thing he wanted was to uncover all the ugly warts that go into this game because if you look to closely, you'll no doubt find them. (yes that's an opinion, but you can't answer it one way or another without doing all the research)

Ban the troll and let's move on.

 

[blackglass3]

The last thing he wanted was to uncover all the ugly warts that go into this game because if you look to closely, you'll no doubt find them. (yes that's an opinion, but you can't answer it one way or another without doing all the research)

Slowly, Goodell IS uncovering the warts and keeps digging himself in deeper with his "trying to clean up the shield" campaign. Espionage, domestic violence, bounties and playing to injure, concussions and various PED's. Paul Taglibue pretty much let the teams manage their players and kept the press' gaze away from the ugly stuff the game of football is. Goodell is probably the last person that should have been his replacement; a lawyer with Hero Syndrome who tries plugging one hole in a dam that uncovers 4 other holes. The more he tries to help, the more problems he causes. At this rate I am inclined to believe what Bernard Pollard said about their not being an NFL in 30 years.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Mr. Uncle Little Meat:

Tell me all of the facts that you know about the allegation of taping a Rams Super Bowl practice, which, for the 568th time, was a charge separate from (and even 5 months after) the spygate controversy.

Faulk's compliant has ONLY to do with the allegation of taping a Rams Super Bowl practice.

You do not understand this simple fact.

... so Faulk is a dip**** for questioning the integrity of the Patriots or whatever else.

You do not even know what Faulk was talking about.
You do not even understand what this thread is about.
You stare blankly at your screen and say "but my amp goes to 11"

Your response, as always:
:crickets chirping:

 

[Uncle Meat]

DidI say 2 wrongs made a right? No, I did not.
I said that BB defied the commissioner's memo on camera placement openly.

I also said that "suspected" was inaccurate. The Patriots admitted to the taping. They were not suspected of taping.

You cannot respond to the facts posted, instead choosing to spin off in straw man arguments.

Bull-pucky.

You said this:

They, the Jets and others were taping. That is a fact.

Tell me why you said that. Honestly, tell me why. If you can come up with a reason that doesn't jibe with what I said about "two wrongs making a right," then I'll apologize. I don't think you can even invent something, though...but go ahead, I have an open mind.

Then tell me how others speculating about the Patriots' practices are wrong are misguided. You "heard things" and that's good enough for you? Other people don't "hear things" as well? They cheated, got caught, and what you have as a result is what you see here.

Also, why would you say "The Patriots admitted to the taping. They were not suspected of taping?" What is the discrepancy here? They DID tape, and they DID break the rules in doing so. This was against the rules. Is that much clear? Can we agree on that?

You cannot respond to the facts posted, instead choosing to spin off in straw man arguments.

Let's please don't be ridiculous. You just brought up that other people were doing it too for giggles?

I'll say it again: if anybody wants to talk about what's only proven then they shouldn't talk about things that aren't proven to justify the Patriots breaking of the rules. Again, that's because nobody else has been found guilty of the same thing.

So, again, don't talk about what ISN'T proven as though it is as well. The Patriots were punished for a reason, and there are enough holes in the officially story for people to be left unconvinced about many, many things. That is why you hear these opinion about reputable football personalities questioning the integrity of the process.

Don't blame me, I'm just trying to explain it to you...you, who do not wish to listen.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Mr. Uncle Little Meat:

Tell me all of the facts that you know about the allegation of taping a Rams Super Bowl practice, which, for the 568th time, was a charge separate from (and even 5 months after) the spygate controversy.

Faulk's compliant has ONLY to do with the allegation of taping a Rams Super Bowl practice.

You do not understand this simple fact.



You do not even know what Faulk was talking about.
You do not even understand what this thread is about.
You stare blankly at your screen and say "but my amp goes to 11"

Your response, as always:
:crickets chirping:

Oh, but I do know these things about Walsh and the allegations about the taping of the walk-through.

What YOU don't know is what I'M talking about.

 

[BradyFTW!]

FFS people, stop feeding the troll. Uncle Meat was an idiot when he showed up 3+ years ago, and time hasn't done him any favors. I honestly wish for his sake that he was a troll, but I'm fairly convinced that he's just a low-functioning human being. Resist the urge to rubberneck and just ignore him.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Oh, but I do know these things about Walsh and the allegations about the taping of the walk-through.

Walsh made no allegations of taping a walkthrough
Walsh denied that he ever taped a walkthrough,
he said that nobody taped a walkthrough, and
the Herald said it didn't happen.

I'm trying to stay on topic here. You keep bringing up spygate, which has NOTHING to do with this topic, and you have PROVEN your abject ignorance of FACTS

 

[Jackson 2]

Oh, but I do know these things about Walsh and the allegations about the taping of the walk-through.

What YOU don't know is what I'M talking about.

I've read every one of your posts in this thread and I only have one question (and I seriously mean this without trying to be a wise-ass): What time did you start drinking this morning?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Bull-pucky.

You said this:



Tell me why you said that. Honestly, tell me why. If you can come up with a reason that doesn't jibe with what I said about "two wrongs making a right," then I'll apologize. I don't think you can even invent something, though...but go ahead, I have an open mind.

Then tell me how others speculating about the Patriots' practices are wrong are misguided. You "heard things" and that's good enough for you? Other people don't "hear things" as well? They cheated, got caught, and what you have as a result is what you see here.

Also, why would you say "The Patriots admitted to the taping. They were not suspected of taping?" What is the discrepancy here? They DID tape, and they DID break the rules in doing so. This was against the rules. Is that much clear? Can we agree on that?



Let's please don't be ridiculous. You just brought up that other people were doing it too for giggles?

I'll say it again: if anybody wants to talk about what's only proven then they shouldn't talk about things that aren't proven to justify the Patriots breaking of the rules. Again, that's because nobody else has been found guilty of the same thing.

So, again, don't talk about what ISN'T proven as though it is as well. The Patriots were punished for a reason, and there are enough holes in the officially story for people to be left unconvinced about many, many things. That is why you hear these opinion about reputable football personalities questioning the integrity of the process.

Don't blame me, I'm just trying to explain it to you...you, who do not wish to listen.

Read my post. Slowly. You'll see I provided the context as to why Goodell issued the ~2006 memo to the league. I also went on to explain why the Patriots were punished for their violation of the commissioner's rules concerning camera placement.

I apologize if English is not your native tongue but I am not that fluent in others. Trollish is my worst.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I've read every one of your posts in this thread and I only have one question (and I seriously mean this without trying to be a wise-ass): What time did you start drinking this morning?

Well, my mom didn't wake me up until about 3 PM....

No, seriously, why would somebody want to sift through 15 pages of this pure garbage?

I do have a point, which I've been trying to impart. I've said it many times. Seeing is how you read all my posts (which I'm flattered by), can you tell me what my main point is?

I'll give you a hint: the Patriots broke the rules, and whatever the backlash is by way of opinion, they brought upon themselves. It should comes as no surprise.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Read my post. Slowly. You'll see I provided the context as to why Goodell issued the ~2006 memo to the league. I also went on to explain why the Patriots were punished for their violation of the commissioner's rules concerning camera placement.

I apologize if English is not your native tongue but I am not that fluent in others. Trollish is my worst.

Explain to me again why you said that the Jets did it too...I'm dumb and missed that part.

Glad to see that you admit that it was a rule prior to the memo though.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

can you tell me what my main point is?

you have none

the Patriots broke the rules

No, they did not ever tape a walkthrough, as Faulk believes. No reporter or source claims that they did.

You continue to bring up spygate, an earlier, different controversy, unrelated to this discussion or to Faulk's allegation in any way.

You simply cannot comprehend this. It is like a cow watching a train go by, to you, just a blank and vacuous stare on your part. Total lack of brain activity. Flat-lined. Jets fans are Mensa members by comparison.