Reiss concerned about Cunningham

[Patriot Missile]

I learned a new word today: recusant.

Thanks.

rec*u*sant. is that pronounced wreck u saunt or res u sant?

refusing to submit, comply.

refusing to attend services of the churge of England.

 

[nnmnmmnn]

Boston.com

Reiss seems to have a valid concern about Cunninghams rush skills, based on Bedard's tabulation of one on one drills. Cunningham has the second worst win percentage out of the 20 or so guys. Also of interest is Weston, who Reiss is high on, is 4th from the bottom, and steve Williams is surprisingly high on the list.

 

[livinginthe past]

 

[PatsBoy12]

On the flip side (and positive side), look at how well Ninko has done so far. That's a huge positive for me.

 

[Urgent]

Boston.com

Reiss seems to have a valid concern about Cunninghams rush skills, based on Bedard's tabulation of one on one drills. Cunningham has the second worst win percentage out of the 20 or so guys. Also of interest is Weston, who Reiss is high on, is 4th from the bottom, and steve Williams is surprisingly high on the list.

In the Globe today, Bedard shared that stat:
He says Cunningham has won 29.4% of his one-on-one drills, better than only Darryl Richard.

He calls Steve Williams and Marques Murrell surprisingly effective.

 

[patfanken]

Boston.com

Reiss seems to have a valid concern about Cunninghams rush skills, based on Bedard's tabulation of one on one drills. Cunningham has the second worst win percentage out of the 20 or so guys. Also of interest is Weston, who Reiss is high on, is 4th from the bottom, and steve Williams is surprisingly high on the list.

Interesting- BUT there is a key question that needs to be asked to validate this very SUBJECTIVE analysis by a self-professed NON-professional analyst.

Did he have access to the practice tapes Unless he had access, I severely question his findings (positive OR negative) Most times the O and DLs have group practice in the far corner of the field AWAY from close observation. I have to wonder how Bedard could make even a stab at judging success or failure of while observing from the media tent a couple of hundred yards away. No where in his article was a mention he had access to the tapes.

Still I found it curious how detailed his results were. Since BB would never give a mediot tape access to all the individual group work for the entire TC thus far, I can only speculate that Bedard is making it up as he goes along or these are real stats the the coaches compiled and and leaked to Bedard.

I have several years of experience scouting live games. Its very hard, even when you have the advantage of height and closeness. Most detailed work (like the kind you see here) is done in film rooms. So IMHO either Bedard has a source in the staff who leaked info that would get him fired, or his "stats" are very suspect

 

[nnmnmmnn]

It's pretty easy to see with binoculars.

 

[Urgent]

rec*u*sant. is that pronounced wreck u saunt or res u sant?

refusing to submit, comply.

refusing to attend services of the church of England.

Believe that would be reh-KYOO-sant. Similar to excused.

 

[nnmnmmnn]

...and it's ******* ******ed to speculate that he's making it up or being leaked reports. That's pretty ******* ignorant.

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Cunningham=Complete bust with zero chance of improvement

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Cunningham=Complete bust with zero chance of improvement

Jeez.. judging a 2nd year player after one season??

 

[JackBauer]

Cunningham=Complete bust with zero chance of improvement

Hard to argue with such an articulate and well-reasoned statement.

 

[Patspsycho]

Boston.com

Reiss seems to have a valid concern about Cunninghams rush skills, based on Bedard's tabulation of one on one drills. Cunningham has the second worst win percentage out of the 20 or so guys. Also of interest is Weston, who Reiss is high on, is 4th from the bottom, and steve Williams is surprisingly high on the list.

The point of those individual drills are to improve agility and one-on-one moves.

But to grade a player on the success or defeat in such drill is pretty much meaningless, because for a blocker, the measure of success is not if you're the last man standing, but if the quarterback is still standing by the time he releases the ball. So in this way, if you haven't defeated a rusher, but you did slow him down, or ride him by, or at the least disrupted his path, then you were successful.

Also in Cunningham's case, it's not necessary that he completely defeats the blocker but that he brings the heat or pressure, collapses the pocket, or moves the quarterback, such as he did multiple times in the Colts game.

 

[nnmnmmnn]

The point of those individual drills are to improve agility and one-on-one moves.

But to grade a player on the success or defeat in such drill is pretty much meaningless, because for a blocker, the measure of success is not if you're the last man standing, but if the quarterback is still standing by the time he releases the ball. So in this way, if you haven't defeated a rusher, but you did slow him down, or ride him by, or at the least disrupted his path, then you were successful.

Also in Cunningham's case, it's not necessary that he completely defeats the blocker but that he brings the heat or pressure, collapses the pocket, or moves the quarterback, such as he did multiple times in the Colts game.

All excellent points. I guess my point here is that Reiss saw cunningham underperforming, probably also in these same drills, and much of the criticism is that Reiss doesnt know what he's talking about. And now there is a second assessment from someone else with the same result.

I guess the difference being Bedard being up front and reporting what he actually saw, with Reiss making a more general statement.

I absolutely agree that one on one success isn't the best way to assess performance, but it's more objective than anything else I've seen.

 

[patfanken]

I'm STILL wondering why everyone so blithely accepts Bedard's stats as valid. He wasn't on the field to see what is happening first hand. He wasn't in the film room to dissect the results. This is ONE guy's amateur opinion of something he watching from a low level position, often a long way from the drills. Fans high in the stands often have better views of the drills than the guys in the press tent. How can he accurately document the match ups even from so far way. Its often hard to see numbers from that distance, especially when you have about 5 -10 seconds between each rep.

Yet people are making comments BASED on these stats as if they were the Gospel. Again if he has a source that is slipping him the ACTUAL coaches stats, then that's another thing, but in his article he hints at none of that.

 

[patfanken]

BTW- another point -

Like spring training in baseball, training camp is a place where players, especially young players are trying out new moves. Cunningham has a huge learning curve to overcome playing a completely NEW position. PERHAPS his slow start in camp (if it truly is a slow startO is due to the fact he is working on these new moves and it takes time to get comfortable with.

Of course there is a possibility that he just sucks and of course that makes him much more interesting for board purposes.

 

[nnmnmmnn]

I'm STILL wondering why everyone so blithely accepts Bedard's stats as valid. He wasn't on the field to see what is happening first hand. He wasn't in the film room to dissect the results. This is ONE guy's amateur opinion of something he watching from a low level position, often a long way from the drills. Fans high in the stands often have better views of the drills than the guys in the press tent. How can he accurately document the match ups even from so far way. Its often hard to see numbers from that distance, especially when you have about 5 -10 seconds between each rep.

Yet people are making comments BASED on these stats as if they were the Gospel. Again if he has a source that is slipping him the ACTUAL coaches stats, then that's another thing, but in his article he hints at none of that.

Do you deny the existence of binoculars?

 

[Synovia]

It's pretty easy to see with binoculars.

Its not the seeing thats tough, its the watching multiple players at the same time, and tabulating your results without missing anything.

The players don't all stand around while two go at each other.

 

[patfanken]

Its not the seeing thats tough, its the watching multiple players at the same time, and tabulating your results without missing anything.

The players don't all stand around while two go at each other.

EXACTLY - mmmmmmmmmmmm is more than one vowel short of a good point. Even WITH binoculars, a tape, recorder, and a valet to bring you refreshments, it would be almost IMPOSSIBLE for him to document with THAT kind of detail the result s of a individual or group drill, Especially, when often have 2 groups running simultaneously.

If you want to prove your point, mmmmmmmmmmm, your going to have do better than smug asides.,

 

[nnmnmmnn]

Its not the seeing thats tough, its the watching multiple players at the same time, and tabulating your results without missing anything.

The players don't all stand around while two go at each other.

Actually, that's exactly what happens in one on ones. They all stand around while two go at each other.