Unnamed team (Pats?) looking to trade for the Raiders #8 overall pick

[primetime]

Re: Unnamed Team (Pats?) looking to trade for the Raiders #8 overall pick.

Derrick Morgan, JPP, or Dez Bryant would be the most likely choices, I think, if it was the Patriots. It also wouldn't happen until draft day.

 

[spacecrime]

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Just a nitpick, but "not being done making big moves"? The next "big" move they make this offseason will be the first.

re-signing Wilfork was huge...

 

[Jangles]

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Ummmm.... Resiging Wilfork and Bodden weren't big moves? I know it was keeping players, but they were pretty substantial moves none-the-less.

No

those were expected moves that even someone without a fully functioning brain would have made happen.

 

[alphilip77]

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If this trade did involve the Patriots, that would be pretty F'ing sick! I think Bill would probably take either Spiller or McClain. OR...he could trade down to some team in the mid-teens like Tennessee or New York for something else included (since neither have second rounders) or do a trade with KC for both of their second round picks and a fourth. Either way, this is very intriguing.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

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It makes some sense from the Raiders standpoint if there's nobody they really love at #8. If they got our highest #2 this year then that's still a good pick in a deep draft, plus they don't have to take an expensive chance on a top 10 given they got burned with Jamarcus.

And then if they assume NE's 2011 1st rounder to be between 20-26, that's a decent pick and gets them back into the 1st round next year where they don't own a pick at the moment.

So it's not just that NE is in position, it's also a good deal for Oakland making them whole from a draft standpoint after the Seymour deal.

Very interesting and plausible.

 

[signbabybrady]

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Ummmm.... Resiging Wilfork and Bodden weren't big moves? I know it was keeping players, but they were pretty substantial moves none-the-less.

We seem to be saying the same things...nice to see someone else who knows what he is talking about

 

[jmt57]

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This is certainly interesting. If it IS the Pats, who do you guys think that BB has his eye on?

That question alone makes me think the story is either a smokescreen, or it's another team. First of all it's almost impossible to predict who will or will not be available at that spot. Even if the trade is contingent on that player still being available, I can't think of somebody the Pats would be that hot for to move up to #8, or willing to give up that much for.

My guess is if this trade offer is true, then it's a team looking to leapfrog ahead of the team drafting #9 - the Buffalo Bills. I'm thinking that team wants to draft QB Jimmy Claussen with the idea the Bills will take him if he's available. That obviously would not be the Pats.

As far as the Pats go, the players that would be available then - OT Trent Williams and Anthony Davis, ILB Rolando McClain, DE Jason Pierre-Paul and Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham, etc. - I just don't see any of them as being so much better than other players available later that the Pats would give up a 1st and a 2nd to get him.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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but in all honesty, the pats could have had the raiders 1st rounder this year for seymour. we could have gotten the raiders pick this year AND kept all 3 second rounders. I think the pats are now afraid the raiders are going to get McNabb and actually be good or at least better than 4-12.

Either BB or Kraft said that Al Davis offered a 2011 1 because he didn't want to give up his 2010 2.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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As much as I like Suh, it wouldn't make sense. We just signed Wilfork to a hefty contract and I really can't see Suh getting passed Tampa.

Suh can play DT in the 4-3 or DT in the 4-3. Schematically, based on everything that I have read (which means little), he could play here.

Your point is valid. I don't see him leaving the top 6 either..

 

[BradyBranch39]

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mucho interesante.

 

[Rob0729]

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No

those were expected moves that even someone without a fully functioning brain would have made happen.

Really? Two weeks before free agency there were plenty of people on this board predicting that Wilfork's career with the Pats would end like Asante Samuel and some even predicted that Wilfork would sit out the first 10 games of the 2010 season. And I am not even talking about all the pessimistic loons on this board. Many of the rational people on this board were predicting this.

Once Bodden hit free agency, the majority of the people on this board felt he was gone.

Sorry, they were two significant offseason moves by the Pats. They might not be sexy like acquiring Peppers, but they were big moves none the less.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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BB probably wouldn't make a move like this until he was on the clock. The only way this makes sense is if he's then planning to move up again for Suh.

Or maybe he really, really wants an OT like Williams.

BB, last year in his pre-draft press conference:

If you look at the number of pre-draft draft choice trades – not player for draft choice, but straight draft choice trades – you won’t find very many of them. Probably the last one would be when Jimmy Johnson and I made one in 1992 or 1993, a couple days before the draft. Teams don’t like to do it. I am personally comfortable doing it, but most teams don’t like to do it.

In other words, if he felt it made sense, he COULD have made this offer without having a specific target in mind. What's really interesting, though, is that this particular offer would require the Raiders to trade out of the first round of this draft altogether. I'm not sure I can see Crazy Al doing that.

 

[Gwedd]

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hopefully they don't waste it on Tebow

I certainly hope they draft Tebow. I think he's an excellent athlete, a fine football player, and a much better quality than many of the sad sacks on this board seem to feel he is.

Tebow would be a great fit here, and I would love to see him in the Pats uniform.

Having said that, I don't think that this rumour is about the Pats at all, and I agree with an earlier poster that it's more likely the JESTS who are trying to swing this deal.

Respects,

 

[signbabybrady]

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No

those were expected moves that even someone without a fully functioning brain would have made happen.

SO had we not gotten these taken care of and they walked its would be a huge story but we do get it done and it is ho-hum call me when you spend 40 mil on something I didn't expect.

For a team that has been *****ed at for letting talent walk you would think you wuold give them the big credit they deserve when they don't. That IMO is the biggest problem with the boston sports fan....*****, *****, *****, then when they get what they ***** about its not enough.


Lets just use your logic on the biggest move of last offseason. It is expected that the Snyder will pay big money on the FA market so was it a big move when they aquired Haynesworth?

 

[AQPE]

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I say its the jets. They will try to get eric berry. Typical tannenbaum move, the media will praise it etc etc. People talk as if the jets are so smart. Yet Braylon Edwards, Cromartie, Revis (opt out), Ferguson, and Mangold are all free agents after this year. And their constant trading of picks has left them with no depth at all.

Plus tannenbaum has had the 6th pick overall 2 years in a row and picked a complete bust in Gholston and a qb who was one of the worst statistically last year, despite a great line, run game and defense.

Spot on, I agree completely

 

[Jangles]

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Really? Two weeks before free agency there were plenty of people on this board predicting that Wilfork's career with the Pats would end like Asante Samuel and some even predicted that Wilfork would sit out the first 10 games of the 2010 season. And I am not even talking about all the pessimistic loons on this board. Many of the rational people on this board were predicting this.

Once Bodden hit free agency, the majority of the people on this board felt he was gone.

Sorry, they were two significant offseason moves by the Pats. They might not be sexy like acquiring Peppers, but they were big moves none the less.

Maybe if the Pats brought in someone to help the team I'd consider it a big move. Wilfork and Bodden returning only keeps the team intact. It doesn't improve

So no, they have done nothing big. Unless you want to count signing a 50 year old, 600 lb TE

 

[Rob0729]

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We seem to be saying the same things...nice to see someone else who knows what he is talking about

Well, they say great minds think alike. Granted if you ask most people around here, my mind ain't so great. So I guess the saying applies for ain't so great minds too.

 

[gomezcat]

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As far as the Pats go, the players that would be available then - OT Trent Williams and Anthony Davis, ILB Rolando McClain, DE Jason Pierre-Paul and Derrick Morgan and Brandon Graham, etc. - I just don't see any of them as being so much better than other players available later that the Pats would give up a 1st and a 2nd to get him.

Agree. It's a really steep price to pay for someone who is probably 5-10% better than what's available at #22. Effectively, what that trade-up means is that Player A is better than Players B and C. Now, if it's Jerod Mayo v Ben Watson and Chad Jackson, then that's probably true.

However, if it's Mayo v Wilfork and Eugene Wilson...

 

[Deus Irae]

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Just a nitpick, but "not being done making big moves"? The next "big" move they make this offseason will be the first.

One could argue that keeping Bodden was a fairly 'big' move. None of the others come close to 'big', but that one is at least of significance because, unlike Wilfork, he could have just walked away.

 

[KulbirSB]

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Didn't BB also pick up the TE who blocked for the 2000 yard runner?
I smell CJ Spiller.