OT - possible Cassel/McDaniels reunion

[Snake Eyes]

I would totally watch Denver games if this happened, I'm thinking that with Charlie Weis as OC in KC he's going to want his guy, Clausen, as QB, not Cassel, who was more of a McDaniels guy. Orton is probably a stopgap in Denver and I'm sure McDaniels would love to have Cassel back, so what if KC were to draft Clausen, and trade Cassel to Denver in exchange for their 1st round pick.

What say you?

 

[mcsully]

Kiper thru this out there as a rumor he heard (this was about a week ago).. And he said it made a lot of sense but it won't happen..

 

[Calciumee]

There is no way Denver would trade a 1st for a player who KC traded a 2nd for, and didn't exactly prove his worth!

 

[Snake Eyes]

There is no way Denver would trade a 1st for a player who KC traded a 2nd for, and didn't exactly prove his worth!

1 - Cassel proved his worth under McDaniels, KC was basketcase team last year so I'd be willing to cut MC some slack.

2 - It doesn't matter how much KC paid for Cassel, only his potential worth to Denver, do you care what the car dealership paid for the car you want if they're selling it to you at a good price.

3 - They can always alter the price, maybe it's Cassel and a 2nd or 3rd in exchange for their first.


The main point is that Cassel would probably have more value for Denver and Clausen more for KC.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It won't happen because the cap penalties for trading Cassel would be too heavy. KC is married to Cassel for the foreseeable future. Now they need to surround him with a good OL and decent offensive weapons.

 

[Mossed]

1) Too much wasted money if KC trades Cassel.

2) Why would Jmac give up a first for Cassel now when he wouldnt last year?

 

[Snake Eyes]

1) Too much wasted money if KC trades Cassel.

2) Why would Jmac give up a first for Cassel now when he wouldnt last year?

- The money matters less in an uncapped year.

- Apparently the Cassel trade was done before McDaniels had a serious chance to move on the deal, also McDaniels might have thought he could make due with Orton, perhaps this season has convinced him Orton won't get him to the promised land.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I would totally watch Denver games if this happened, I'm thinking that with Charlie Weis as OC in KC he's going to want his guy, Clausen, as QB, not Cassel, who was more of a McDaniels guy. Orton is probably a stopgap in Denver and I'm sure McDaniels would love to have Cassel back, so what if KC were to draft Clausen, and trade Cassel to Denver in exchange for their 1st round pick.

What say you?

What is Orton a stopgap to? Is there anything in the Denver QB development pool?

 

[Snake Eyes]

What is Orton a stopgap to? Is there anything in the Denver QB development pool?

I don't know if there is, McDaniels might be trying to address some other things before getting THE QB because Orton is good enough for the time being but not ultimately the guy he thinks is going to win them a Superbowl, or maybe he wants more than one season with Orton to make that determination.

I think that can be a very smart thing to do, I would have built an O-line in in Detroit before drafting a 1st round QB like Stafford but I also would have rested Stafford until he was healthy after he was injured, but that insane management is why the Lions suck.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I don't know if there is, McDaniels might be trying to address some other things before getting THE QB because Orton is good enough for the time being but not ultimately the guy he thinks is going to win them a Superbowl, or maybe he wants more than one season with Orton to make that determination.

I think that can be a very smart thing to do, I would have built an O-line in in Detroit before drafting a 1st round QB like Stafford but I also would have rested Stafford until he was healthy after he was injured, but that insane management is why the Lions suck.

If McDaniels continues to work with Orton, while improving the defense through the draft, maybe Orton could be a SB team sooner rather than later.

After all, McDaniels did win 11 games with a seventh round draft pick, who took very few snaps in college, at QB.

 

[BradyBranch39]

Silly me, I thought KC brought Weis in to work with Cassel. KC is my sleeper pick to be around 8-8 this year... they just need a couple OL.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Silly me, I thought KC brought Weis in to work with Cassel. KC is my sleeper pick to be around 8-8 this year... they just need a couple OL.

Actually I think they desperately need a NT more than anything.

 

[DaBruinz]

I would totally watch Denver games if this happened, I'm thinking that with Charlie Weis as OC in KC he's going to want his guy, Clausen, as QB, not Cassel, who was more of a McDaniels guy. Orton is probably a stopgap in Denver and I'm sure McDaniels would love to have Cassel back, so what if KC were to draft Clausen, and trade Cassel to Denver in exchange for their 1st round pick.

What say you?

I say your smoking Kiper's wanker. Seriously.

Todd Haley is the HC and he is the one who wanted Cassel. I'd put major money that when he was talking to Weis, he asked Weis if he felt he could work with Cassel and Weis being hired hinged on that answer.

McDaniels had every chance to get Cassel. Your claim that McDaniels didn't really have a serious chance to get Cassel is absolutely bogus on your part. Or don't you remember the 3 way deal with Tampa????

As for your comments about the Lions. They brought in new management last year. I guess you fell asleep for that one.

Sorry, but you didn't roll snake-eyes with this thread.. You rolled craps..

 

[DaBruinz]

Actually I think they desperately need a NT more than anything.

I have to agree with you here. I wouldn't be surprised to see KC try and move up from where they're at in the 2nd round to get Cody.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I say your smoking Kiper's wanker. Seriously.

Todd Haley is the HC and he is the one who wanted Cassel. I'd put major money that when he was talking to Weis, he asked Weis if he felt he could work with Cassel and Weis being hired hinged on that answer.

McDaniels had every chance to get Cassel. Your claim that McDaniels didn't really have a serious chance to get Cassel is absolutely bogus on your part. Or don't you remember the 3 way deal with Tampa????

As for your comments about the Lions. They brought in new management last year. I guess you fell asleep for that one.

Sorry, but you didn't roll snake-eyes with this thread.. You rolled craps..

For starters, I detest Mel Kiper, I had the idea on my own, nothing to do with him.

- From what I read the 3 way Tampa thing never got any serious traction, it was proposed and then it leaked and all hell broke loose.

- Todd Hailey might very well have wanted Cassel but Hailey also seems absolutely crazy, I couldn't believe how he threw Cassel under the bus after a bad game BY THE TEAM and said he'd be more than happy to throw someone else in as QB if they did better. Contrast that to BB, who said that he 'would not bring in an outside vet because Cassel is the backup and can do a better job than anyone else backing up the team'. One method inspires confidence in the player and the other one tears his down and gives him a disproportionate share of the blame.

I could easily see Hailey have an overly strong cup off coffee, stub his toe, and decide Cassel is the problem and needs to go.

- As for the Lions new management, after Stafford's injury they publicly stated that they wanted him on the field ASAP, that they wanted wins and that him being completely healthy was not as important. I'm sorry but that's flat out insane, you could amputate both of Stafford'd legs and it wouldn't make a meaningful difference regarding their playoff hopes.

Getting a potential top-notch QB without a line to protect him is a great way to destroy that potential. No, the Lion's management sucks.

 

[BritPat]

What is Orton a stopgap to? Is there anything in the Denver QB development pool?

Tom Brandstater. I'm not saying he's going to become the next Brady, but they apparently really like the kid.

 

[Snake Eyes]

It won't happen because the cap penalties for trading Cassel would be too heavy. KC is married to Cassel for the foreseeable future. Now they need to surround him with a good OL and decent offensive weapons.

Hypothetically, suppose Cassel were to agree to a new contract without all that guaranteed money, so there would be no cap penalties for KC, provided that Denver agree to make good that money IF he was traded to them. I'm not sure if it would fly according to the league but Cassel wouldn't be "traded" until he signed the contract with Denver, could that work?