Schefter: Predict's Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

[RayClay]

Because it might impact his ability to earn five times that over the remainder of his career that will be over before he's 40 and set up his children's children for generations?

I know for fans it's the lucky to be here league. For players it's a career they believed they've already worked hard half a lifetime to have earned...

Honestly Ray if someone promised you $14M to not be or do something you've worked your whole life to be or do and someone else offered you $20M+ in cash with the implicit guarantee of earning $30M+ over the next 3-4 years and potentially $65-100M+ over the next 10 years to do exactly what you love to do and have dreamed all your life of being - is it really a no brainer for you to take the chump change and run?

And FWIW franchise $$$ while guaranteed is paid out over 17 weeks once the season starts. Signing bonus money is in hand on the day you sign the deal.

So he's worth 75 million now. Wow!

Honestly Ray if someone promised you $14M to not be or do something you've worked your whole life to be or do and someone else offered you $20M+ in cash with the implicit guarantee of earning $30M+ over the next 3-4 years and potentially $65-100M+ over the next 10 years to do exactly what you love to do and have dreamed all your life of being - is it really a no brainer for you to take the chump change and run?

If I was a 7th round draft pick who hardly played in college and wasn't even a good backup prior to this season (I know I'm asking a lot, but be honest) and somebody said 14 million I'd sign before they changed their minds.

I've seen plenty of first and second rounders who've had a few good games you could sign for minimum and a bag of chips right now.

If we can sign and trade him, that's great, but i wouldn't pay him 14 million to play or to sit. I still don't think there's much between him and Guttierez. Most of his passes are safe ones where the receiver turns back and makes a target, taking advantage of doubles on Moss.

 

[SpiderFox53]

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I contend that the above contradicts your point. A tagged player does indeed have a choice in the matter.

I meant he has very little choice in the "sign and trade" part. Of coarse he can make it difficult on the Pats if he doesn't want to play for the team they want to send him too. Also, no team will make a trade for him unless they have a deal in place "in prinicipal" before the trade is consumated.

 

[Batman]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

are they allowed to do that?

No. We can only tag him if we have some intention of keeping him.

Several readers have pointed out to us that Peter King of SI.com has explained that the New England Patriots likely won’t apply the franchise tag to quarterback Matt Cassel unless the Pats think they will need him to play in 2009.

Specifically, here’s what King writes, in his Monday Morning Quarterback column: “The only way they’ll tag Cassel is if Tom Brady’s knee rehab takes a major turn for the worse, to the point the Pats don’t feel confident Brady will be ready to start the 2009 season. That’s it. Because the NFLPA won’t allow teams to franchise players if they have no intention of keeping them, the Patriots won’t be able to franchise Cassel if they intend to trade him.”

But that last sentence presumes there’s a handy procedure in place for the union to object to a franchise designation by claiming that the Patriots don’t possess a good-faith intention to employ Cassel at the amount of the franchise tender for a quarterback in the 2009 season.

Article XIV, Section 8(b) expressly requires that teams possess such an intention when any tag or tender or restriction is used. But what if they don’t? The NFLPA can’t block the use of the tag; Cassel would have to file a grievance against the team, which likely wouldn’t be the best way for Cassel to wrap up his career in New England.

Besides, the fight is one that Cassel and the union can’t win. Absent Brady being declared game-ready in February, the Patriots easily can satisfy the good-faith intention requirement by tendering $14 million or so to Cassel in order to squat on his rights for the coming year as an insurance policy against Brady not being ready. And if Cassel has any qualms about whether the Pats could rescind the tender in July or August if no trade can be worked out and if Brady seems to be at or near 100 percent, all Cassel has to do is sign the tender, which will make the payment fully guaranteed.

And let’s not forget that the union has far bigger fish to fry over the next several months. The last thing the NFLPA should be doing come February is picking a fight it can’t win for a player represented by an agent (David Dunn) for whom current union leadership likely won’t be inclined to do any favors.

So we think that the Patriots’ decision as to whether to tag Cassel will be made independently of the question of whether Cassel or the union believe that the Pats lack the requisite good-faith intention of keeping him around.

I thought I would show the portion of the article from the PFT link posted by the OP.

 

[Basileus777]

That's crazy money for someone who has been a checkdown king for most of the year.

 

[swheeler23]

That crazy money for someone who's been a checkdown king for most of the year.

If Cassel's smart he will go to a team that has a chance of winning. Going to the highest bidder may put you on a losing team and get you little help on offense. The Pats have a great situation for a qb. If Cassel choses the wrong team he could find himself in a downward spiral for his career. The big difference between Brady and Cassel is Brady makes the players around him better.(2006) The players around Cassel make him better.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So he's worth 75 million now. Wow!



If I was a 7th round draft pick who hardly played in college and wasn't even a good backup prior to this season (I know I'm asking a lot, but be honest) and somebody said 14 million I'd sign before they changed their minds.

I've seen plenty of first and second rounders who've had a few good games you could sign for minimum and a bag of chips right now.

If we can sign and trade him, that's great, but i wouldn't pay him 14 million to play or to sit. I still don't think there's much between him and Guttierez. Most of his passes are safe ones where the receiver turns back and makes a target, taking advantage of doubles on Moss.

That's what starting Qb's in the NFL make in a 10 year career Ray, jealous as that may make you feel. He was a good backup according to BB who kept him here for 4 years and started him after the second series of the first game of the season and hasn't looked back since. Just because you couldn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't in fact the case.

As for Gutierrez, you were wrong there too and just can't admit it - Bill had ample opportunnity to retain him on the PS and didn't make a move to even add him to it until after all 31 other teams passed on him and Brady hobbled off the field.

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

No. We can only tag him if we have some intention of keeping him.





I thought I would show the portion of the article from the PFT link posted by the OP.

Thank you! This is exactly what I thought would be the case. The idea of pre-arranging a trade involving a player to be franchise-tagged seemed totally unethical to me, and I thought there would be a rule against it.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

Thank you! This is exactly what I thought would be the case. The idea of pre-arranging a trade involving a player to be franchise-tagged seemed totally unethical to me, and I thought there would be a rule against it.

Rules can be bent a little. Read the rest of the article, and you'll see the intention to keep.lol. They can tag him right away saying its because Brady isnt healed. Then right before the draft, trade him, and say Brady is ok now. Its really easy, and it happens every year.

 

[RayClay]

That's what starting Qb's in the NFL make in a 10 year career Ray, jealous as that may make you feel. He was a good backup according to BB who kept him here for 4 years and started him after the second series of the first game of the season and hasn't looked back since. Just because you couldn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't in fact the case.

As for Gutierrez, you were wrong there too and just can't admit it - Bill had ample opportunnity to retain him on the PS and didn't make a move to even add him to it until after all 31 other teams passed on him and Brady hobbled off the field.

Gutierrez hasn't had the opportunity, so you don't know I'm wrong.
They have 3 young QBs.

So you've got Cassel as a lock to be a ten year starter at this point. I don't generally make projections like that one way or the other.

Who did we draft with the number one pick we received For Rohan Davey after his MVP season in Europe anyway? My memory is failing me.

 

[JoeShmoe]

I've read 9 pages of this and still dont understand what we can do ..

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I've read 9 pages of this and still dont understand what we can do ..

"We" can cheer on our team.

BB & SP can retain Cassel through fair means or foul if they like and them trade him for some additional tools to help the team. They can also just let him go get his payday and take the comp pick in 2010. It will be fun to watch either way.

 

[VJCPatriot]

MC can look for whatever dollar amount he wants...but to me he is still unproven. He has had one very good game in his career.

Lets not "crown" the guy as a top flight NFL quarterback yet. Any team that would pay MC Aaron rodgers money would be out of their minds. I see him as worth at most 4-5 million a year.

He has to show he can do it over a little longer period than he has shown.

Also, I think it is against teh rules to franchise tag someone with the intent of trading him.
The NFL has not enforced this before...but that is the rule

Then why would they have 'exclusive rights franchise tag' and 'nonexclusive rights franchise tag'? The latter is clearly allowed so teams can do just do that, work out a trade and allow the player to negotiate a deal with another team beforehand.

Rules can be bent a little. Read the rest of the article, and you'll see the intention to keep.lol. They can tag him right away saying its because Brady isnt healed. Then right before the draft, trade him, and say Brady is ok now. Its really easy, and it happens every year.

Exactly. The 'intent to keep' is pretty easily satisfied and open to interpretation. Brady's injury makes it an easy excuse. And not much a surprise if Cassel is dealt later pending Brady checks out healthy.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

Rules can be bent a little. Read the rest of the article, and you'll see the intention to keep.lol. They can tag him right away saying its because Brady isnt healed. Then right before the draft, trade him, and say Brady is ok now. Its really easy, and it happens every year.

And you'd be surprised how often judgments go against organizations that try to bend the rules like this. I see it all the time - often well after the fact.

If the Patriots tag him and then trade him later, it's just asking for a grievance to be filed - and it wouldn't surprise me one iota if Cassel won the grievance and the Patriots received nothing but aggravation and a possible fine.

 

[Clonamery]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

If the Patriots tag him and then trade him later, it's just asking for a grievance to be filed - and it wouldn't surprise me one iota if Cassel won the grievance and the Patriots received nothing but aggravation and a possible fine.

If, if, if, if, if.....?

 

[Wildo7]

Re: Schefter: Cassel will be looking for a Aaron Rodgers type deal

Rules can be bent a little. Read the rest of the article, and you'll see the intention to keep.lol. They can tag him right away saying its because Brady isnt healed. Then right before the draft, trade him, and say Brady is ok now. Its really easy, and it happens every year.

My only point was that it would preclude the Pats from working out a trade BEFORE he is tagged. Could they theoretically work out a trade with the Vikings and Cassel before they tag him anyway? I suppose, but that's very risky, especially if the NFL finds out or they can't get it worked out and the Vikings rat them out.

I never said that the Patriots weren't allowed to trade a tagged player, I said that they couldn't tag a player after having worked out a deal, and I still don't think they can. Given the size of the tag, I still think it's going to be tough for the Pats to tag him and trade him, and I doubt they'll do it and risk having to take a $14M cap hit.