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The Giants had a great pass rush and their game plan was to live and die with the pass rush. We played right into it.
There's such a thing as taking what the defense gives you and that sometimes means not abandoning (the run in this case) because you get stuffed a few times.
I don't think that is hard to understand. If we did the bolded part, returning to our strength would have been much more productive given we'd established we could run and pass short.
If you still can't understand what I'm saying, I have all weekend.
By the way, that's probably why the same Coaches consistently win big games. It's not because every player happens to win every individual battle during the playoffs, It's much more likely that the defense stops the other team from using their strength, while the offense executes on all phases, so the defense can't dominate in any one area, and has to respect every phase of the offense, setting up the success of the offense you choose by games end.
You've been wrong the whole time, as the data regarding precisely what you were asserting proved. Why do you insist on continuing?
What NFL coaches have gone through their entire career never losing a big game?
24 hours until this thread is put to sleep.
You're not kidding. 305 posts (and counting) and over 5000 views -- I spawned a monster.
And it's surprised me. From the discussion about rosters, I'd have guessed that the voting would have been quite even -- that whichever side had it, there wouldn't be more than a 60/40 majority. Even before last night, it was running nearly 3:1 and now it's over 4. Well, as you say, we'll know soon enough.
(I should have expected this to be another Maroney thread, though -- gets people worked up when he plays, gets them worked up when he doesn't. Perfect.)
You're supposed to quote where i said that.
Are you trying to be puerile?
that's probably why the same Coaches consistently win big games
If it was all about the coaches, BB would be undefeated.
that's probably why the same Coaches consistently win big games
I guess I should stop here and summarize my opinion.Exactly, JAG isn't an insult. JAGs are NFL-caliber players. In most cases, it's the type of guy that, if you have injuries, you plug him in and he fills in capably enough that you can hold things together.
Look at last night's game- there were a whole lot of stars that won't be on NFL rosters this time tomorrow. I watched Gary Russell come in for Oakland and steamroll over Seattle's D, en route to 12/59 (4.9 YPC), 2 TDs, and some slick runs.
Danny Woodhead had 18 carries for 158 yards and 2 TD, Tristan Davis got 92 yards and a TD on 3 carries, Aaron Brown got 56 yards on 11 carries, Aveion Cason got 40 yards on 6 carries, Patrick Cobbs got 54 yards and a TD on 9 carries, Dantrell Savage got 73 yards on 4 carries, Mike Goodson got 79 yards on 15 carries, Isaac Redman got 79 yards on 12 carries, DeDe Dorsey 68 yards on 13 carries, Brian Leonard got 64 yards and a TD on 9 carries, James Johnson got 55 yards on 11 carries, Bernard Scott got 43 yards on 5 carries, Allen Patrick got 50 yards on 8 carries. All of these guys had really good games, and they probably all have fans waking up this morning saying 'how can we cut this guy?' But most of them will get cut tomorrow.
Every year, a bunch of RBs do well in the fourth game of the preseason, and most of them get cut anyways. Why? Because no matter how well he does playing against third and fourth stringers out there, there's still a reason why he's even getting a lot of touches in the fourth game in the first place. The RBs whose roster spots are secure, and who are expected to contribute to the team significantly don't play at all.
Maybe BJGE played his way into a roster spot. I like the guy, and wouldn't mind it. Honestly, if Morris' injury is looking like it might be a nagging one, then I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up being the odd RB out, especially if BB decides that Maroney and Taylor are good to go as 1/2 and he wants the other RB to contribute more in special teams and pass-blocking. To think that last night makes BJGE a slam-dunk, though, just doesn't make sense. If anything, I'm a little worried that, prior to that last drive, we were looking at a sub-3.5 YPC. All of those guys that I listed above were at 5.0 YPC or up, so even after he busted the long one, BJGE is still well them. The only way in which he stands out from that crowd is that he got a full workload, and I'm honestly not sure that that's a good sign.
But I didn't say it was all coaches. Peewee Herman arguments are only fun for a while.
That's why you didn't quote me twice in a row. Because I didn't say what you wrote.
The Giants had a great pass rush and their game plan was to live and die with the pass rush. We played right into it.
There's such a thing as taking what the defense gives you and that sometimes means not abandoning (the run in this case) because you get stuffed a few times.
I don't think that is hard to understand. If we did the bolded part, returning to our strength would have been much more productive given we'd established we could run and pass short.
If you still can't understand what I'm saying, I have all weekend.
By the way, that's probably why the same Coaches consistently win big games. It's not because every player happens to win every individual battle during the playoffs, It's much more likely that the defense stops the other team from using their strength, while the offense executes on all phases, so the defense can't dominate in any one area, and has to respect every phase of the offense, setting up the success of the offense you choose by games end.
I think your assumption is wrong.
The Giants didnt sell out to live and die by the pass rush, they rushed 4.
They didnt have a good pass rush because they overplayed the rush, they had one because our guy blocking their rusher failed.
If the OL misses the block it doesnt matter what the call was.
What happened was our OL didnt block them, not they sold out to rush the QB.
Wrong about what? We ran the ball much less than most teams not named the Rams.
Did you replay the game on Madden with the Patriots running the ball 25 times or so to offset the rush?
Please, tell me how I was wrong about something that never happened? This place is just ridiculous sometimes.
I didn't say they blitzed, they rarely needed to. They have the best pass rush in the league. You think we should have had the whole game depend on our oline against the best pass rush in football. That's not how I would have played it.
We should have run right at them and had our oline beat them up, in my opinion.
They were exhausted on the sideline, even though they were rotating guys in to rush every play.
Sometimes doing nothing but pitting your blockers against the other teams strength is enough to win.
The British won wars all over the world lining up in red suits in straight lines and firing in unison. I suppose we could have stood opposite them in straight lines and won too.
We didn't.
If the other teams DL can't be blocked by your OL it doesnt really matter what you do.
I didn't say they blitzed, they rarely needed to. They have the best pass rush in the league. You think we should have had the whole game depend on our oline against the best pass rush in football. That's not how I would have played it.
We should have run right at them and had our oline beat them up, in my opinion.
They were exhausted on the sideline, even though they were rotating guys in to rush every play.
Sometimes doing nothing but pitting your blockers against the other teams strength is enough to win.
The British won wars all over the world lining up in red suits in straight lines and firing in unison. I suppose we could have stood opposite them in straight lines and won too.
We didn't.
Running does not offset the rush of one man being unable to block another.
Nothing in that game was about the Giants gameplanning to get pressure, or knowing what we were going to do. It was about a defensive player beating the block of an offensive player who was in position to block him.
If you really rewatch the game you will see CONSISTENTLY that DL are beating the blocks of OL (run/pass ratio or setting up play calls has absolutely nothing to do with that) and hitting Brady as he is throwing the ball, sending the pass off target. If our 5 OL EXECUTED THEIR BLOCKS in that game with the level of success they had throughout the season, we would have scopred over 30 points, no question.
You could have called 20 runs in a row, but if you passed on the 21st and Logan Mankins couldn't stop Justin Tuck from beating his block, the result would have been exactly the same.
What makes you think that an OL losing the physical battle with a DL in protecting the QB would fare better run blocking against them? Its the same men against the same men. Especially when their strength is pass blocking.