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Will BenJarvus Green-Ellis Make the 53?

Poll closed Sep 6, 2009.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Mike the Brit

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    A simple yes-no question in all of the roster cutdown scenarios.
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    I'm voting no just because I don't think the Pats can afford to carry 5 RBs due to needs to keep other players in other areas. If the Pats are planning to do more 4-3 and still staying with the 3-4 too, they will need to carry an extra LB or d-lineman or two.
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    Well, it's not a simple yes or no question. The two factors are:

    1) how secure Belichick feels with Maroney and Taylor and Morris, and

    2) how many people Belichick keeps at other positions.

    On the first point, I'd bet he probably doesn't feel that secure, given Maroney's coming off injury, Taylor's around 96 years old, and Morris has also shown to miss games with injury.

    On the second point, he's not keeping a "real" fullback. He'll probably go with six wideouts (if not seven) given the depth and importance. The key question is at tight end. Is Smith a goner? Will someone dangle a "too good to refuse" trade for Watson? If he only keeps two TEs, then he'll have room for BJGE.
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    That would be a valid concern if BJGE was above replacement level, but hes not. Even if you're afraid your entire RB staff is going to fall over and die, theres no reason to give a replacement level player a roster spot. You can pick guys like him up in the middle of the season.
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    I can't recall BB ever keeping just two TEs. Even last year, when he basically ran a one-TE offense, he still kept three TEs.
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    Kid has good potential, I love how he is explosive hitting the hole for good yardage. Not saying he's LT, but apart that he's proven to be durable, has good feet and moves the ball hard.
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    The part where you remember how many of his carries were in short yardage situations (e.g. see how many touchdowns he has).
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    The question is simple -- the factors that go into deciding your answer may be complex ... :D
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    idk....that is a big question this year though...

    but since morris and fred will be gone soon, and since maroney is a ?, and faulk is getting older.....yes, i think BB keeps him
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    I think the amount of attention BJGE draws in a backfield with Brady throwing to Moss and co. would differ tremendously from playing with Cassel. Teams didnt respect Cassel much at all. Theyre not gonna be stacking any lines with Brady QBing this team. I say keep him. He gets no respect here because of all the old guys we're keeping and Maroney's 1st round status.
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    Maroney hasn't played full season since he was drafted by Pats. Doesn't necessary mean he will be injured again this season but its hard to imagine BB having blind faith he won't be.

    Fred Taylor is 33 year along with Sammy Morris who is 32 along with Kevin Faulk who is 33 as well. Faulk has been pretty durable for us but with Morris playing sparingly this pre-season, I think it is sensible thing to have young capable back up.
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    1) I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick signed a short-yardage back or a fullback, even at this late date.
    2) Morris is back at practice. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a reason to carry five running backs, with no fullbacks among the five.
    3) If Belichick wants extra insurance against injuries to two or three of the four running backs, then there are two options: a street free agent when all those injuries happen or picking up a better player than Green-Ellis before Game 2.
    4) IMHO, Green-Ellis just isn't worth as much as the special teamer or OT that would be cut in order to keep him on the roster. I could see risking having 8 OL's for six weeks in order to carry a veteran running back as insurance, but not Green-Ellis.

    BOTTOM LINE
    I feel much more strongly that Green-Ellis doesn't belong on the 53 than I do that we couldn't improve the team by bringing in a running to upgrade the team at certain skill sets.

    Green-Ellis isn't better than ANY of our four running backs, not at any skill.
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    Any given team can find a player like BJGE at any given time in the year, though thats no discredit to his strength or work ethic, or running hard, etc.. The depth at RB is just too strong to carry a young, low-ceiling RB. I wish they hadn't used up his PS eligibility last season, but it is what it is - he's not one of the best 53 players on this team, or one of the best 4 RBs.
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    You're making a very good point here. BJGE's real game totals come with Cassel at QB.

    I hope we see BJGE early and often this week.

    3 TE's 5 RB's. I'm almost positive. And being wrong here doesn't mean much anyway, lol.
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    I'm shocked that so many of you think he's going to make it with Morris, Taylor, Maroney and Faulk around.
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    So why is Chris Taylor here as well?

    If BJGE has little chance to make the team does that mean Chris Taylor has NO chance?
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    Chris Taylor has NO chance. Someone has play garbage time in preseason games. Green-Ellis and Taylor have done fine in that role.

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    Interesting options for this poll, but I think the most likely scenario is absent from it:


    YES, but with another team.
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    I think they should definitely keep him. Taylor and Morris and Faulk even are OLD.

    3 post 30 RBs? Too much.

    Kind of a waste signing Taylor unfortunately. BB does love his washed up vets...Duane Starks comes to mind. At least he didn't trade a #3 for Taylor.
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    He's a lock.
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    Huh? So you honestly expect them to carry 5 RBs?
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    Yes because they will definitely not have 5 RB's by the end of the year. Someone will definitely go to PUP or IR at some point.

    I've been saying you have to balance age/wisdom with youth/energy. That RB without BJGE has three players over 30 who are injury-prone, leaving only Fred Astaire as the young RB, and even then, he's had his share of injuries.
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    Can someone confirm that Taylor has PS eligibility but BJGE does not? If so, Taylor to the PS could be the injury insurance. It depends on how much they value BJGE skills compared with guys like Taylor. I like BJGE, but it is difficult to see how they could keep a guy who would not play unless several guys got hurt over somone who will play all the ST downs (Aiken, Slater, Ventrone, etc.)
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    BJGE is no longer eligible for PS.

    Which Taylor are you talking about? There is no way we sneak Fred Taylor to the PS.
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    Yeah, but the point is that a JAG like BJGE can be picked up at any point throughout the year.
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    Of cousre-- I was talking about Chris Taylor. He could be put on the PS and serve as injury insurance.
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    Absolutely. Almost no question, IMO. 5 RBs. With David Thomas filling the Hochstein/Heath Evans role, along with some versatility on the OL, I think they will be able to do it. And given the injury history of Maroney, Morris AND Taylor, keeping a guy like BJGE is a good idea. Add to that that it's arguable he can fill the Faulk-in-training spot, the guy's a solid value.
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    It goes to priorities. IF you keep Ben you can't keep 9 OLmen, If you keep Ben you can't have 4 TE. If you keep Ben, you lose a defensive player. Like the cap, you'd like to sign everyone to whatever they want to stay, but if you do, there are consequences.

    Listen, next week teams will all have to cut 12 more players to get to the final 53. That's 384 players. 384 guys who have been good enough, and have done enough to impress coaches to keep them around through the OTA and 6 weeks of camp. MOST of whom are good enough to play in the NFL, but for one reason or another will get cut. Just a log jam at a position. No one got hurt. Or someone got hurt and they have to keep a guy at another position

    On every board there are discussions going on like this one about keeping someones Binky. the fact is that there will be some 300 very good players who be looking for work. We all know that the final 53 is NEVER the FINAL 53, and about 30 of these guys WILL end up on a roster by the end of the year..

    IMHO BJGE, is an NFL quality back up RB...but not on THIS team...THIS year. There are just too many other areas that need help more than RB
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