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  1. MrNathanDrake

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    They control the clock.

    They run the ball and kill the clock. They tire out our defense. Then pass on our tired defense late in the game.

    Meanwhile, we barely run the ball. BJGE only got 10 touches. Why were we rushing to score again when we have a 2 point lead? We have the OLine and the RB to kill the clock and tire out defenses. Instead we ran many plays without a RB in the backfield and let their big pass rushers pin their ears back and take shots at Brady. We have never attempted to tire out their defense or push them around in the run game. Giants do not have good run defense.

    It's always the same damn strategy and its failed 3 times in a row.

    The Giants had 7 losses this year. The Redskins in particular beat them twice by running the ball down their throat.
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    I suppose it's a somewhat fair criticism, but it seemed like the pats were running the ball, and the point is to score points --- who do you think is best at doing that on the pats?

    there are all kinds of examples of teams winning the time of possession battle and losing the game, so to pick out one thing might be an oversimplification.
    score more points and you win the game, don't have 12 men on the field, don't give up a clutch 38 yard pass play, don't get a safety, etc.......

    the giants were the better team, that's it -- it was close, but we got beat by a really good team.
    a team that also took out green bay and san fran on this run.
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    BJGE only had 10 touches.
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    I hate to say this but the Pats are starting to resemble the Bills of the 90's
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    Coughlin is a better big game coach than BB is at this stage of their careers. It's not even debatable. Time to accept that fact.

    He also knows BB like the back of his hand, which is another reason these games have been close.

    Also, and most importantly, the Giants have drafted circles around NE in recent years. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, JPP, Tuck, Osi, Boley, etc. -- all home grown players.

    It's not about the X's and the O's, it's about the Johnnies and the Joes. They're more talented and that shows up when it counts.
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    We can, we just didnt. We lost by a play 3 straight times. That doesnt mean we cant beat them it means we didnt.
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    Didn't work for the Falcons with a much better RB. That said, Brady being Brady opens things much more for his RB's than Ryan does. The run wasn't working for the Pats, but it wasn't for the Giants at first either. Have to be persistent with it, and I agree that was a big difference in the game.
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    Boley was not homegrown. Were you thinking of Kiwanuka? also add in Bradshaw, Kenny Phillips, Bradshaw, and a few more.
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    I said it over and over, run the ball. First play from BoB/Brady is what......oh let's try play action from Endzone and throw it where no WR is around, as if our speedster WR are going to blow past the Giants secondary.

    I said it Giants O had ball for ALL by 3mins of Q1......and in Q4 D was gassed, look familiar ?

    Good riddance to BoB...enjoy your career in Happy Valley.
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    The Patriots out coach themselves and miss on executing in critical moments. Against the Giants, this has become a theme.
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    There are a lot of ways to win - and lose - a football game.

    It comes down to making plays, bottom line. When you're playing a good team, you can't force zero turnovers and let the opposing QB hit 30 of 40 passes and expect to win. When you're playing a good team, you can't miss opportunities to recover fumbles or pick off passes. When you're playing a good team, you can't drop passes (both easy and difficult) while allowing the opposing receivers to make catch after catch (both easy and difficult). When you're playing a good team, you can't let them drive virtually every possession into your half of the field.

    And on and on and on. That's football for you. Back in the early 2000s, it was Ty Law or Rodney Harrison or Troy Brown making plays in the clutch. Now New England's getting out-clutched by the Giants. We can talk clock control or whatever, but it comes down to making plays. Simple as that.
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    Yes, Kiwanuka. But thanks for mentioning Bradshaw. Another stud.
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    Comparing Falcons offense to our offense, and how they use their RBs compared to how we use our RBs, is comparing apples to oranges.
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    Woodhead ran it 7 times also. Everytime BJGE got the ball the game thread exploded with negativity. The drives at the end the half and to start the third quarter were pure spread offense bliss. BOB had to think they were in total control at that point.
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    I agree with that.

    Giants have had EARLIER picks than us though. Pierre Paul was #16 overall I believe.

    However... We've had ALOT of picks in every draft thanks to alot of trades we made. (Seymour trade, Matt Cassell trade, etc)


    We drafted some studs like Gronk,AHern,Solder,Volmer,Mayo,Spikes,Chung...... but we've missed on a ton of picks or given up on them too early..

    Ron Brace, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price, Darius Butler, 2 running backs this past draft that didn't help much this year, Shawn Crable, Terrence Wheatley, Jermaine Cunningham (his much better DE team mate was drafted right after him and is tearing it up in Cincy).... All 2nd/3rd rounders that have gone to waste so far.


    I really wanted to see Price and Tate develop in our offense, but it seems neither were given a chance. Who knows, maybe Price couldve turned into an Austin Collie type receiver, or Tate couldve given us some deep threat.
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    I was talking the giants up on here before the game, so I'mnot trying to make excuses or take anything away from them, but do we even see any of these threads if not for 12 men on the field?

    it was a close game --- sometimes you lose.
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    This has eerie similarity to the 2007 fiasco. McD is back in the house. coincidence?? NOT :mad:

    I still ***** cannot believe that they did not even gave a single snap to Ridley

    BB, you moron, here is a flash news. your OC / OA are not that brainiacs as you seem to think and while you are at it, resign your GM post RIGHT NOW


    </venting-done>

    man this sucks :(
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    More than anything, I think it's just because of the horseshoe that Eli has constantly up his butt. Five fumbles forced by the Pats in the two Super Bowls, none recovered by the Pats. The Tyree thing. Gronk being hurt. Welker and Asante dropping sure catches.

    The Pats can beat the Giants, and they probably do more than half the time if these teams were to play each other 100 times (and 90% of the 07 game), but it never quite swings their way. That's how it is in the NFL. The same reason so many people love the game (the physicality) is the same reason that the best team is so much less likely to win than in other sports.
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    Giants always end up with the LAST REAL possession of the game.

    Then we're trying to dink and dunk our way to a TD with less than a minute left.



    It's happened twice in the SuperBowl now. I dont think it's a coincidence. It's better time management. And the Giants Defense is still fresh enough to rush Brady since they aren't worn out by us running the ball.
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    People used to say the 01 Rams would beat us 90% of the time too.


    It doesnt really matter. The fact is, we lost to the Giants twice in the SB now. Both within the last 2 minutes of the game.
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    Why can't ocho play in this offense. What a bust he's been
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    Right you are. Been saying the same thing for years.
    Do you remember what the Pats strategy was back in the day of SB chmapionships....back when they actually had really goods defenses??
    When they would face really good offenses they would use their own offense to keep the other guys off the field. Limiting the TOP for guys like Peyton Manning and thus keeping their own D off the field and fresh was an ACTUAL strategy. Unfortunately since the Patriots have morphed into The Greatest Show On Turf they no longer use their own offense as a weapon to control TOP. This Patriot offense does little if anything to help out this D.
    The 1st qtr of tonight game was a prime example. Giants get the ball 1st. Pats D holds 'em. On the 1st play from scrimmage Brady throws that moronic pass into oblivion and the Pats are now down 2 pts, they have to punt thus giving the Gaints a short field and the defense is right back on the field.
    But we blame them when they wear down. Ridiculous!
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    I would have liked to see Hernandez in the backfield running some plays
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    In a lot of ways, 01 and 07 cancelled each other out. That means the Pats are still owed one in the near future ;)
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    Tom Brady can throw for 5,000 yards.......50, 60 TD passes, It's not gonna

    mean crap if you can't win the big one. I think he needs 5 rings if he wants to

    be up there with Montana.
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    I think it more has somethign to do with coughlin knows BB from the back of his head than anything else...it's hard to beat a guy who just knows everything you know, that you can't throw anything new at him. Coughlin owns BB that's for sure....and he owns him with his own game, since 07 we haven't beat Coughlin what so ever, preseason...reg season...superbowl, I think BB has finally meet his worst emeny.
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    He only needs 1 more ring. The 3 games with 1 ring would eclipse Montana's playoff record.
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    Look, the Patriots are a passing team. You're re-writing the book on passing. You guys have 4 and 5 receiver sets, sometimes with 2 Tight Ends, and your TE's are just big receivers like Shannon Sharpe. BB thinks pass first...and pass second.

    So, it's not surprising that with the game on the line, BB kept passing even though "The Law Firm" had run well on his 10 measly carries.

    BB wasn't going to change who he was (a pass-first coach) at the end of the game. You stay with the girl you took to the dance.
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    You got that right. The best players make the best plays.

    UDFA's, castoffs and retreads are simply not good enough to win a Superbowl.

    What's sad is that while BB has been conducting his coaching experiment Brady's best years are being squandered.

    He has five years to win another one, but with this downward spiraling defense, it probably isn't going to happen.
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    We closed out a few games this year with Law Firm pounding the ball.

    We were really in "go for it" territory anyways. We should've been running for yardage and then going for it on 4th and short.... Instead we threw and ended up in 3rd and 10, then had to kick it....
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