Why we can't beat the Giants..... simple.

[Pats_fan_85]

Why can't ocho play in this offense. What a bust he's been

 

[RhodyPatriot]

They control the clock.

They run the ball and kill the clock. They tire out our defense. Then pass on our tired defense late in the game.

Meanwhile, we barely run the ball. BJGE only got 10 touches. Why were we rushing to score again when we have a 2 point lead? We have the OLine and the RB to kill the clock and tire out defenses. Instead we ran many plays without a RB in the backfield and let their big pass rushers pin their ears back and take shots at Brady. We have never attempted to tire out their defense or push them around in the run game. Giants do not have good run defense.

It's always the same damn strategy and its failed 3 times in a row.

The Giants had 7 losses this year. The Redskins in particular beat them twice by running the ball down their throat.

Right you are. Been saying the same thing for years.
Do you remember what the Pats strategy was back in the day of SB chmapionships....back when they actually had really goods defenses??
When they would face really good offenses they would use their own offense to keep the other guys off the field. Limiting the TOP for guys like Peyton Manning and thus keeping their own D off the field and fresh was an ACTUAL strategy. Unfortunately since the Patriots have morphed into The Greatest Show On Turf they no longer use their own offense as a weapon to control TOP. This Patriot offense does little if anything to help out this D.
The 1st qtr of tonight game was a prime example. Giants get the ball 1st. Pats D holds 'em. On the 1st play from scrimmage Brady throws that moronic pass into oblivion and the Pats are now down 2 pts, they have to punt thus giving the Gaints a short field and the defense is right back on the field.
But we blame them when they wear down. Ridiculous!

 

[Pats_fan_85]

Right you are. Been saying the same thing for years.
Do you remember what the Pats strategy was back in the day of SB chmapionships....back when they actually had really goods defenses??
When they would face really good offenses they would use their own offense to keep the other guys off the field. Limiting the TOP for guys like Peyton Manning and thus keeping their own D off the field and fresh was an ACTUAL strategy. Unfortunately since the Patriots have morphed into The Greatest Show On Turf they no longer use their own offense as a weapon to control TOP. This Patriot offense does little if anything to help out this D.
The 1st qtr of tonight game was a prime example. Giants get the ball 1st. Pats D holds 'em. On the 1st play from scrimmage Brady throws that moronic pass into oblivion and the Pats are now down 2 pts, they have to punt thus giving the Gaints a short field and the defense is right back on the field.
But we blame them when they wear down. Ridiculous!

I would have liked to see Hernandez in the backfield running some plays

 

[Sciz]

People used to say the 01 Rams would beat us 90% of the time too.


It doesnt really matter. The fact is, we lost to the Giants twice in the SB now. Both within the last 2 minutes of the game.

In a lot of ways, 01 and 07 cancelled each other out. That means the Pats are still owed one in the near future

 

[carterjt47]

Tom Brady can throw for 5,000 yards.......50, 60 TD passes, It's not gonna

mean crap if you can't win the big one. I think he needs 5 rings if he wants to

be up there with Montana.

 

[hellolin]

I think it more has somethign to do with coughlin knows BB from the back of his head than anything else...it's hard to beat a guy who just knows everything you know, that you can't throw anything new at him. Coughlin owns BB that's for sure....and he owns him with his own game, since 07 we haven't beat Coughlin what so ever, preseason...reg season...superbowl, I think BB has finally meet his worst emeny.

 

[Zoie]

Tom Brady can throw for 5,000 yards.......50, 60 TD passes, It's not gonna

mean crap if you can't win the big one. I think he needs 5 rings if he wants to

be up there with Montana.

He only needs 1 more ring. The 3 games with 1 ring would eclipse Montana's playoff record.

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Look, the Patriots are a passing team. You're re-writing the book on passing. You guys have 4 and 5 receiver sets, sometimes with 2 Tight Ends, and your TE's are just big receivers like Shannon Sharpe. BB thinks pass first...and pass second.

So, it's not surprising that with the game on the line, BB kept passing even though "The Law Firm" had run well on his 10 measly carries.

BB wasn't going to change who he was (a pass-first coach) at the end of the game. You stay with the girl you took to the dance.

 

[olschool]

Coughlin is a better big game coach than BB is at this stage of their careers. It's not even debatable. Time to accept that fact.

He also knows BB like the back of his hand, which is another reason these games have been close.

Also, and most importantly, the Giants have drafted circles around NE in recent years. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, JPP, Tuck, Osi, Boley, etc. -- all home grown players.

It's not about the X's and the O's, it's about the Johnnies and the Joes. They're more talented and that shows up when it counts.

You got that right. The best players make the best plays.

UDFA's, castoffs and retreads are simply not good enough to win a Superbowl.

What's sad is that while BB has been conducting his coaching experiment Brady's best years are being squandered.

He has five years to win another one, but with this downward spiraling defense, it probably isn't going to happen.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

Look, the Patriots are a passing team. You're re-writing the book on passing. You guys have 4 and 5 receiver sets, sometimes with 2 Tight Ends, and your TE's are just big receivers like Shannon Sharpe. BB thinks pass first...and pass second.

So, it's not surprising that with the game on the line, BB kept passing even though "The Law Firm" had run well on his 10 measly carries.

BB wasn't going to change who he was (a pass-first coach) at the end of the game. You stay with the girl you took to the dance.

We closed out a few games this year with Law Firm pounding the ball.

We were really in "go for it" territory anyways. We should've been running for yardage and then going for it on 4th and short.... Instead we threw and ended up in 3rd and 10, then had to kick it....

 

[Rob0729]

People are just making up stuff to slam this team for the loss. The fact is the difference between the Pats and the Giants in this game was negligible. You can point to about a half dozen plays that if just one went a different way, the Pats probably win the Super Bowl. If one of three forced fumbles went the other way (the Pats didn't have 12 men on the field or they recovered one of the other two), the Pats probably win. If Welker catches that ball that went through his hands on the second to the last drive, the Pats probably win. If Belichick doesn't call for a review for the Manningham catch, the Giants probably kick a field goal and the Pats only have to score a field goal to win the game on the final drive and might have won. If Brady doesn't get the intentional grounding in the end zone, that could have been a 9 point swing.

The reason the Pats can't beat the Giants because both teams are pretty evenly matched and the Giants have been better at stepping up at the right time and minimizing the costly mistakes (although if the Pats won yesterday, the Giants could be talking about a half dozen plays that if went the other way that they would have won).

 

[upstater1]

I feel 100% the opposite of the OP. Couldn't disagree more.

The Patriots passed the ball for 98 yards to close out the first half.

Then they mixed run and pass, but mainly pass, to go 80 yards at the start of the second.

So what happens in the 4th quarter?

They get the ball at their own 6, and pass mainly (2 good Woodhead runs mixed in) and move it all the way to the Giants 45. Theyw ere going up tempo, which they excel in, and the Giants suck at that speed.

So what do they do: they line up in a big package, TEs, extra tackles, no WRs, and they try to jam the ball down the Giants' throats. It was like they were trying to take time off the clock. Run with BJGE, and you have -2. 2nd and long leads to 3rd and long.

I'm sorry, but you have the Giants on the ropes. You are up 2 points, a TD puts the game away. Your #1 goal right there is not trying to run out the clock, not with this Patriots' defense. Your number 1 goal right there is scoring a TD.

By taking the air out of the ball and trying to jam it down their throats on 1st down, you set yourself up for 3rd and long.

Mind you, I'm not against a draw or running out of the shotgun in that position, but for heaven's sake, do NOT change temp and do NOT announce to the world that you are running the ball.

I don't blame Brady for trying to hit a wide open Welker to ice the game right there, but yes indeed, in hindsight, Hernandez was wide open 5 yards downfield, makes it 3rd and 5 or 6, more makeable than 3rd and 12, but you'd never be in that position at all if you didn't try to wind the clock down.

Up two points, you need to score and put the game away, not go into a mode you haven't used all game.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

We've lost to the Giants 3 times in a row on game-ending drives by Eli Manning with a few minutes to go. Then we're left with less than 1 minute and 80 yards to catch up.

It's not a coincidence.

 

[upstater1]

We've lost to the Giants 3 times in a row on game-ending drives by Eli Manning with a few minutes to go. Then we're left with less than 1 minute and 80 yards to catch up.

It's not a coincidence.

When you have the ball on the opponents 45 with a 2 point lead and 4:00 minutes to go, you try to score. You don't try to run it.

Let's pretend that they run it there instead of throwing. Let's pretend they even kick a 53 yard field goal after gaining 8 yards on runs. Manning and the Giants still have about 2 minutes to score a TD and win.

The Patriots would lose 21-20 instead of 21-17.

 

[Rob0729]

We've lost to the Giants 3 times in a row on game-ending drives by Eli Manning with a few minutes to go. Then we're left with less than 1 minute and 80 yards to catch up.

It's not a coincidence.

What does that have to do with your original post? Even when they were controlling the time of possession for most of the game, they were still behind at the end of the game in all three games. It was when they went into hurry up mode where they actually won the game. They scored on that drive in under 3 minutes and when they tried to run down the clock, they failed because Bradshaw fell into the end zone when he should have stopped on the one yard line.

BTW, in the last Super Bowl, they could have easily lost that game if either Meriweather or Samuel held onto their easy INTs on that final drive. And if Welker caught his pass on the drive before the Giants' last drive, the Giants probably lose. Again, it is a game of inches.

 

[g650]

They control the clock.

They run the ball and kill the clock. They tire out our defense. Then pass on our tired defense late in the game.

Meanwhile, we barely run the ball. BJGE only got 10 touches. Why were we rushing to score again when we have a 2 point lead? We have the OLine and the RB to kill the clock and tire out defenses. Instead we ran many plays without a RB in the backfield and let their big pass rushers pin their ears back and take shots at Brady. We have never attempted to tire out their defense or push them around in the run game. Giants do not have good run defense.

It's always the same damn strategy and its failed 3 times in a row.

The Giants had 7 losses this year. The Redskins in particular beat them twice by running the ball down their throat.

The Giants are a better team. You're play calling isn't very good and Brady never plays well in big games.

 

[Rob0729]

When you have the ball on the opponents 45 with a 2 point lead and 4:00 minutes to go, you try to score. You don't try to run it.

Let's pretend that they run it there instead of throwing. Let's pretend they even kick a 53 yard field goal after gaining 8 yards on runs. Manning and the Giants still have about 2 minutes to score a TD and win.

The Patriots would lose 21-20 instead of 21-17.

Yeah, I agree. In fact, running with BJGE on first down on their final set of downs on that drive was a big reason that drive failed because the Giants were expecting the Pats to run to run down the clock and they stacked the line.

 

[g650]

Yeah, I agree. In fact, running with BJGE on first down on their final set of downs on that drive was a big reason that drive failed because the Giants were expecting the Pats to run to run down the clock and they stacked the line.

Scoring means not throwing INT's, which your QB always seems to do in these situations.

 

[upstater1]

What does that have to do with your original post? Even when they were controlling the time of possession for most of the game, they were still behind at the end of the game in all three games. It was when they went into hurry up mode where they actually won the game. They scored on that drive in under 3 minutes and when they tried to run down the clock, they failed because Bradshaw fell into the end zone when he should have stopped on the one yard line.

BTW, in the last Super Bowl, they could have easily lost that game if either Meriweather or Samuel held onto their easy INTs on that final drive. And if Welker caught his pass on the drive before the Giants' last drive, the Giants probably lose. Again, it is a game of inches.

I watched all three Super Bowl wins yesterday. Other than the Eagles game, the Patriots made the big plays and that's how they won two of those rings. You're exactly right. The fact is, those games could have been lost easily, and the Patriots also made big mistakes in those games.

2 missed FGs by Vinatieri against Carolina could have been the sort of killer events that would have made us retch. But no, the Patriots came back. Especially after John Kasay's boneheaded kick out of bounds.

 

[reflexblue]

People are just making up stuff to slam this team for the loss. The fact is the difference between the Pats and the Giants in this game was negligible. You can point to about a half dozen plays that if just one went a different way, the Pats probably win the Super Bowl. If one of three forced fumbles went the other way (the Pats didn't have 12 men on the field or they recovered one of the other two), the Pats probably win. If Welker catches that ball that went through his hands on the second to the last drive, the Pats probably win. If Belichick doesn't call for a review for the Manningham catch, the Giants probably kick a field goal and the Pats only have to score a field goal to win the game on the final drive and might have won. If Brady doesn't get the intentional grounding in the end zone, that could have been a 9 point swing.

The reason the Pats can't beat the Giants because both teams are pretty easily matched and the Giants have been better at stepping up at the right time and minimizing the costly mistakes (although if the Pats won yesterday, the Giants could be talking about a half dozen plays that if went the other way that they would have won).

I can say with i high degree of certainty that the Pats will be in the playoffs again next year like they always are. That can't be said for the Giants, last year they didn't make it