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Why doesn't anyone smack the QB in the Wildcat formation?

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  1. MrBigglesWorth

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    The QB lined up is fair game? is he not...

    it surprises me that no one lines a LB opposite chad pennington and hits him every time in the wild cat formation.

    make them pay with a beat up quarterback
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    Right on, I'm sure lots of players on the Pats' D would love to have a 5 yard buffer where they could just wreck chad.
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    I would be down for that. It might cost us in the short term, as BB said, but the quarterback for one would not be okay with lining up at receiver and number two, would probably get a case of the happy feet in the pocket after that.
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    Smacking the QB would take a away one man from trying to stop the play. Knowing the NFL you would get fined heavily anyways.
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    So, I don't have any experience in defending "wildcat" formations, but I did learn a little bit about defending the single wing and the flexbone. It utilizes wingbacks a "fullback" and has the option of having a quarterback on the field. Which the wildcat is nothing more than a derivative of. The premise of the flexbone is to set up the triple option and to makeup for a lack of a throwing qb. The single wing is more of a sweep heavy offense. What it ultimately boils down to is a lot of single-read options using a lot of motion with a direct snap to the tailback (or for the sake of formation-based nomenclature the fullback).

    The bread and butter of this formation is a strong side single read option behind the backside guard on a pull. If the read is to the outside, the backside wingback takes the handoff from the fullback and his the edge ASAP. If the inside lane is there, the fullback keeps the ball and follows his pulling guard through the hole created by two downblocks on the play side of the formation.

    In football, when you hear the phrase "the job of the runningback is to beat one guy" it is telling you there is a mismatch in personell. Typically, when the quarterback must deliver the ball to a specialist, the defense is playing 11, the offense 10. By putting the ball directly in the hands of a running back with the option running off of this gun-snap you force the defense to play you head up 11 on 11. If you execute your blocks, you can take advantage of this. If you put a non-mobile quarterback on the field (which has happened to me in college) you are coached to leave the qb alone unless you read pass block off of the linemen. The logic is that you regain a freed defender and restore the natural balance to the game. If you were to devote a guy to smacking the QB around, all you would do is waste a defender that could be better allocated. Not sure if this is how it is coached in the pros but in college this is how I gameplanned and those were the reads that I took while defending it from the inside linebacker position. Now that I got through with that rant, watch Bill talk about how important smothering the QB is...nothing like a hefty dose of e-embarassment!
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    This was mentioned in a couple of other threads and I'm betting BB goes for it this time:D Get that wildcat OFF the field.
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    This is what i was asking in another thread, why not just line up say mayo across from pennington and as soon as the ball is snapped smack him down. The play might gain some yards but it would make them think twice about using it again if it puts the QB in danger.
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    Whoever does it will get fined, suspended, sent to guantanamo, and have their home furniture repossessed by the league
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    Cause Mayo makes loads of tackles and has speed. Put someone like Mike Wright over him to hit him and make ricky turn up field earlier and I think you have more chance of getting what you want done. Smack Pennington and cut williams out in one play and gone could be the wildcat.
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    The whole premise of this thread makes no sense.

    What would Randy Moss think if Sean Ellis or even Kris Jenkins lined up across from him with the intention of knocking him down?

    He would LOL.

    Chad is a big guy, 6'5" 240lbs. wearing pads and a helmet, short of going kung foo on his ass, how do you expect to deliver a blow that would actually hurt him?

    Chad ain't going to line up at WR and say " Oh hello there Mr Mayo I think I will take you on straight up".

    People have this idea that QBs are wimpy or fragile, there not, they are football players, as tough and athletic as anyone on the field.
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    Yeah, but you still need a guy on the QB anyway. See Faulk to Brady, 2001.
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    ya... this from mr roboto pennington. you suggest the guy has never been injured.
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    You don't need to tell me about Chad sinjury history QB's by nature of there position leave themselves vulnerable to get hurt.

    But Chad would be playing WR rather then QB, and were not talking about him leaving his feet going up in the air over the middle to catch a pass.
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    yeah we're talking about engaging a LB and his nice shoulder being yanked on or driven into the ground.
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    Then you are talking about cheating, and yes that would work, my bad, I thought we were talking about a legal play.
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    We TFB fans had like NO IDEA :rolleyes:
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    What would ever lead you to believe they wouldnt be talking about cheating? I mean... its the Pats... lol
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    Me too. Since we've demonstrated time and again this season with more than just Miami that we simply can't handle the Wildcat formation why not accept reality and just flatten Penny's girly mon scrawney tail outa the game? Works for me.
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    ya run blocking and playing defense against it is illegal.:rolleyes:
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    You send one of your LBs out to take on Penny and they will get hurt before Penny does.

    Isn't Chad a 5th degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
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    The guy has made a career outa geting injured. Let's help him be consistent Sunday.
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    Sounded like you wanted to tackle him.

    So you suggest the Pats block him into submission?
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    At least rattle his cage some:yeeha:
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    They did it to Marshall Faulk and Brian Westbrook...it's a rough game man.

    That said, it's a horrible strategy and makes no schematic sense, but for argument's sake getting smacked all game can be mentally draining.
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    I guess we'll see. regardless it's a must win for the pats.
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    LOL if the pats cant stop the wildcat offense it will be a very long day.
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    The most important part is making sure the first or second defender wraps up the guy with the ball.
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    And that answer is typical of the bend-but-don't-break, passionless defensive philosophy under which we've suffered for the last 3-1/2 seasons.

    If I'm a DB, and I see NoodleArm lined-up across me, I am going to Blow His Azz Up...legally, of course. Remember NEP v. Faulk, Marshall in SB 36? That's what I want to see.
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    Per Reiss, BB says no one wastes time hitting the QB in the Wildcat because you are already one defender short when the RB takes the snap. The thinking being that in a regular running play, once the QB hands off, he's out of the play (flea-flickers not an issue?), and there are 11 defenders for 10 on offense. In the Wildcat, it's 11 on 11. A case can still be made for smacking the QB, in that all that is required is to chip the QB, negating his timing, in the event that the plan of the play is a wide-out screen to the QB and subsequent pass by him. Even forcing the QB to move off his mark can be enough to throw off a pass to him by the RB. Then, the OLB or CB with that assignment can trail the play or cover a potential cut-back by the runner. IMO, a more aggressive approach to the QB when he's on an island in the Wildcat can pay dividends, independent of the satisfaction derived from smacking the SOB around.
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