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A failure for Stallworth if he's cut? He'd still have $2.9M of bonus money and can then look elsewhere.
Nope, that's not what I said...I was talking about a failure by him, not for him.
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Apparently Belichick is the only GM who trades for players during camp, giving up what is reportedly a conditional pick for a backup CB - unfortunately starting caliber WRs like Gaffney and Caldwell have no trade value whatsoever, which is unfortunate for us.
Didn't BB say he got a spot for Caldwell or something like that earlier?
Yeah, but did he say where? - IMO, what either Gaffney or Caldwell did last year won't be what determines who stays if there's a choice between these two. When I read BB's consistency comments I took it to mean what they do in TC and PS games, but I guess that's open to interpretation. It's a what ave you done for me today league.
He doesn't wait until guys are cut because if it's after the down to 53 man cut he has to outbid other teams and the new guy would have to start learning the Patriots system when TC is overwith. It's why a team that really needs a WR would be smart to try and trade now, rather than wait until Sept when guys get cut.
So all it takes is another thread about the same thing to validate your opinion and discount the opposing view? Shouldn't you maybe wait until there is an actual trade to post an I told you so?
I presume that Jackson and Brown will move to the PUP list or the IR. Even if one makes the 53, I expect that we will keep 5 receivers, not counting either of them.
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We then have six wide receivers copeting for five positions. Some would keep all six. I do not see us cutting or trading anyone until after the last preseason game. We shouldn't, in any case. If one is injured, we would go into the season with the other five. I certainly believe that there is large drop off from any of the six to the alsorans, who really are not worth anything in trade.
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What value does any one of them have? No one knows. I think the value is small, but it is certainly worth a try, before making the final cut. I'm sure that pioli will ahve preliminary discussions with whoever is interested, just as we will have talks withe regard to running backs who play for other teams.
I'll even go out on a limb and say I'd feel more comfortable with a game 1 lineup of Gaffney, Caldwell, Welker than Moss, Stallworth, Welker. This offense needs some continuity.
Yeah, I'm guilty of cherry-picking statistics a bit. But here's an unequivocal statement:
I think Reche Caldwell is a better football player than Kelley Washington.
By all accounts he's also had a better camp. And he has more experience in the offense than any other receiver on the list. I'll even go out on a limb and say I'd feel more comfortable with a game 1 lineup of Gaffney, Caldwell, Welker than Moss, Stallworth, Welker. This offense needs some continuity.
You're right. I should have posted an "I told you so" when BB traded for a backup/special teams CB to illustrate that, yes Virginia, training camp trades do happen, and if a backup CB has trade value, it's idiotic to suggest that a starting WR doesn't.
I'll even go out on a limb and say I'd feel more comfortable with a game 1 lineup of Gaffney, Caldwell, Welker than Moss, Stallworth, Welker. This offense needs some continuity.
I would definitely NOT go that far.
Randy Moss is a bonafide #1 receiver.
Stallworth is on the cusp of being a 1/2 guy. And his speed can stretch defenses.
Gaffney and Caldwell are more like #2 receivers at best.
And neither of these guys can 'stretch' the field vertically.
You don't leave your #1 WR on the bench just because he hasn't played in a game with your QB yet.
Unless you are talking about Moss or Stallworth being traded, the Pats won't be offerring any starting WRs for trades.
Just because Gaffney and Caldwell started last year, doesn't mean they are viewed as starting WRs. If the Pats proved nothing this offseason, they proved the don't view either as starting WRs.
Ibut Caldwell, coming off a 61 catch season is worth NOTHING?
Please explain.
Jabbar Gaffney coming off a 55 catch season was worth less than nothing a year ago. Not only did he not have trade value, he ended up sitting on the sidelines into October.
Please explain.
The Iggles(?) decided to dump Gaffney at the end of TC, when basically everyone had their rosters set. It's hard to get anything at that point, especially if teams aren't terribly desperate (and, after trading a 5 for Gabriel, the Pats weren't--although, in retrospect, I've had traded a 5 for Gaffney instead).
Right now, though, the Titans could definitely use a WR. Don't be surprised if they cough up a pick after this weekend.
I would not trade any of the top six until after the final preseason game. Presuming that the last two games won't influence the decision, the #6 as of now is insurance.
TO be clear, I wouldn't trade any of them for a conditional 5th now
Jabbar Gaffney coming off a 55 catch season was worth less than nothing a year ago. Not only did he not have trade value, he ended up sitting on the sidelines into October.
Please explain.