Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by cstjohn17, Feb 25, 2009.
When does Matt Cassel get traded?
I think this accounts for all possible options
If NE is CERTAIN that Brady is back in time for week 1, then the Pats will be VERY busy shopping Matt around BEFORE March 15th - They don't want to be handcuffed with 29M on 2 QBs and wait as long as till the draft unless Brady is expected to be about 50-50 of returning in time or shortly after week 1,then they might have to think a little more on what they want to do.
I would say about 2 weeks is a good time frame. I am sure there have been some discussions already but the frenzy starts Fri AM. Some teams will think they can get someone on the market for better value and as teams get a chance to talk to the QBs on the market it will better solidify our market....Than after a few days of FAency I would say anywhere from a week - 2 weeks to actually strum up the best value so I voted before March 15 but in reality I would say right around there.
Although I don't think it is to crazy to think this could pretty much all be done already.
I dont see it going much longer than a few weeks as we want our cap space back and the team likely would want to shape the team around him if they get him so the earlier the better for both parties.
to KC at 12:01? wink wink nudge nudge
The way I see it is he will either get traded on Friday or on draft day. The Pats have had 2 months to find a suitor which is plenty of time, and there is no QB like Cassel in the FA market that a team might prefer otherwise. On draft day, a team might want to see if a player falls to them. If that's the case then they may trade a 1st round pick next year compared to this year.
Give it time.
Other situations need to be resolved before Matt packs his bags. First of all, other teams will need to lock up their QBs.
1 Arizona needs to get the Warner deal done.
2 The Vikings will need to process the trade for Sage Rosenfals.
3 The Titans will deal with signing Collins.
4 Jeff Garcia is going to be interviewing around the league.
5 Donovan McNabb still has issues in Philly to work out.
6 Derek Anderson needs to find a new home and a contract negotiated.
7 Stafford and Sanchez have Pro Days to show off their tools.
And then I think Cassel get traded. Hopefully that is when a couple teams get desperate and call the Pats, but I hope I'm wrong and this whole thing is over many weeks before the draft.
Put in my vote for before March 15th. It makes sense for both the team that wants him and the Pats to get the deal down early. For the first party, they get to install their offense around Cassel ASAP and for the Pats, they free up space to pursue free agents.
Well, I just talked to Belichick's friend's uncle's wife's brother's daughter's neighbor's nanny's cousin twice removed, and he said.....
Sure, sure... there are parts of Bill's own brain that haven't been notified what's going down yet.
Lonestar: So what does that make us?
Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing, which is what you are about to become.
I dont care when I just dont want to get stuck with him and his contract. That fear is starting to set in...
Care to explain why you feel all this needs to get done prior to Matt being traded?
1. Arizona has Leinert, they are a non player
2. Who is to say the Vikings haven't already pitched their best offer to NE and were rebuffed or refused to beat the best current offer available to the Pats? And they A) did the same with Cleveland and resorted to Rosenfels or B) they like Rosenfels better than Anderson.
3. The Titans have a bunch of money tied up in VY which probably limits their willingness to invest big money long term in another QB. And Tennessee clearly wants Collins back, but they also have a good shot at resigning Simms - who could be their starter next year (2010). I doubt they have any interest in Cassel.
4. Garcia has 0 impact on Cassel. Garcia will sign with a team looking for a stop gap not a long term solution. Cassel is a long term solution, therefore a team would explore the possibility of Cassel prior to signing Garcia - not the other way around.
5. The only way Mcnabb impacts Cassel is if the Eagles have worked out a deal to trade McNabb and then have a deal consumated with NE for Cassel and all this is based on trust and it has to be executed within minutes of FA opening. This seems highly unlikely. And if a team is hoping to get McNabb and go after Cassel as a fallback, then they are foolish. So, Cassel's situation doesn't have anything to do with McNabb, IMO.
6. Anderson would be a 2nd, 3rd etc.. option for any team interested in Cassel. A team trades for him if they A) don't like the price tag (including draft picks) for Cassel or B) don't want to get in a bidding war for him and remove themselves (which is basically the same as A).
7. I think it is fairly obvious that not too many people consider either of them a top ten pick. A team would have to love them or not be willing to give up additional picks for Cassel or believe that they will fall to you near the 20's. I think this situation may remove a couple of teams from the mix, but ultimately has a minor impact on Cassel.
I would be shocked if a deal isn't already done. IMO, this is why the Vikings have settled on Rosenfels. Obviously this is just speculation, but it would be mind numbing to think that they didn't pitch their best offer to the Pats for Cassel. To which the Pats replied by saying "we have an offer in place, here it is, can you beat it?". And obviously the contract negotiation with Cassel's agent surely plays a big part in it as well.
MIN: Here's our best offer.
David Dunn: Thanks, but we've already got a better offer.
MIN: Do you have permission to talk to us?
David Dunn: No.
BB: "You took Mills"
Major Dad: "You took David Herron"
BB: "You can have him back... click"
HaHa...I forgot about that. But I would like to think BB would have an offer from another team before he had fun jerking other people around.
Lets hope he is traded and soon.I just wanna get a feel about what this team wants to do.I wanna get young pieces on defense.
I still say that Matt's going to be a New England Patriot for another year.
In the long run, there's no down side to keeping him around.
there is a huge downside the 14+ million dollars on the cap that prevents other FA's from coming here
It also prevents the Patriots from extending players.
I hate to say it but I believe we won't be able to trade him.
IMO most people think he is a 1-yr wonder. He played on a 18-1 team from last year and had Moss to throw to.
I hope I am wrong or we have a lot of $$ tied up we could have used on other players.
Teams would rather wait another year and get him for nothing.
they could still franchise him next year which is not likely but they could it's be stupid for a team that needs a QB to wait and hope
Who would take him ? The way i see it; 2 teams are the most logical.
Chiefs can use him and seems to be the best fit.
Tampa Bay â€“ Could use him for sure.
Jets . No way
Tennessee still has Young..
Detroit â€“ Didnâ€™t they say Daunte is the QB.
Bears- Their Front Office believes they can win with defense only
Washington â€“ Donâ€™t have much to trade and may give Campbell another year or two.
Vik's- just picked up a QB.
Carolina â€“ Has Delhomme who had one good year. Stupid because he â€˜s a FA next year and wonâ€™t be back Iâ€™m sure
Arizona - Wasnâ€™t Warner going to resign and they also have that wonderboy.. Leinart
49ers- I thought they had a young QB they just drafted a few years ago.
Well clearly "most" people didn't watch his progression. But my guess is that any NFL GM looking for a QB did.
The Lions have the most fire power to get a deal done. Will they? Who knows after all they are the Lions. Either way Dante is not the answer.
The Bears like Orton but they seem to be more willing to go the FA rout, wouldn't be shocked if Leftwich ended up there.
There are reports the Vikings will trade for Rosenfels but that can't be finalized until 12:01am Friday.
Carolina is a sleeper possibility.
SF makes a ton of sense from their 1st round slot to the fact that they need a QB. By the way Alex Smith is a bust.
I really, really hope that this doesn't happen. If it does, then we're screwed.
Seriously, who would trade a 1st-rounder Plus $14.5M for MC? BB might have to settle for a lot less than a #1, I fear. MC would've had a lot more trade value if he didn't come with that albatross of a tender.
Why the Vikes are going the Sage direction, I can't figure out. That is a good guess and might be spot on. I still wonder why the Vikes would move so quickly on the Sage deal when veteran QBs are out there to negotiate with and other QB deals have yet to be resolved.
I just get the feeling that they have a plan that they put in motion and they aren't goint to wait around for things to happen.
The way I see it is we spent a 7th to get him, he is limiting our ability to address real needs in FA with such a large cap number. Lets dump him for a 2nd or maybe 2 seconds. We are better of than what we started and we can start to address areas of need namely the entire defense outside the Dline.
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