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I think it's way too early to be worried about this. For all we know, Welker could be on vacation with his new fiancee, trying to forget about how the season ended. Or visiting family, or doing any number of other things that take him out of Foxboro. Perhaps his agent is actively negotiating the deal on his behalf, and they are just doing a great job of keeping it under wraps. As other posters have pointed out, no other teams have signed their key free agents this offseason.
If it gets to be early March and we still haven't heard anything, then I'll get nervous. For now, let's just all acknowledge that we are desperate for some positive Pats news. Relax.
I don't agree but we could go around in circles all day long with this!
I do think it's a tad unfair to label people who don't think with the grain as 'morons' or 'fantasy football GM's and Maddenites' though...I've seen a few arguments for moving on from Welker and the logic is there IMO...just like there is logic with your argument also.
It's an interesting debate Don't start labeling people because you think you're right and you don;'t agree with the other perception.
The real problem is Brady, he simply doesn't have the arm Jay Cutler has, and he's limiting the offense because Cutler could really stretch the field. Trade Brady for Cutler and let Welker go and bring in Chad Jackson and Mike Williams, that would be awesome.
Don't be surprised if you get a lot of likes from people with no sarcasm detector.
Sometimes i just can't help myself, there are some fans who simply refuse to acknowledge reality and insist over and over that the measurables or fantasy numbers etc... are what really matters. people like this would say over and over and over that Danny Woodhead simply can't play football because he's too small, and no amount of prooff otherwise would ever sway them. he would always need to be replaced because he's too small, and relaity would never stop them from insisting otherwise. That is what is going on here with Welker, he's 5'10 isa all that matters, and Garcon is taller, that's what really matters, screw production Garcon is unstoppable in Madden, that's what really matters.......
I'm sorry, but people like that are braindead and I have no polite way of saying that.
Okayyyyyyyyyy.
You're not someone people can debate with clearly...no need to rant on any more
Some things just aren't clearly debatable. Attempting to intelligently debate those with people who don't grasp that is just wasted time and energy.
He's a 5'10" 185 lbs slot receiver lining up at split end.... what part of that isn't occasionally limiting?
I'm not saying he does all the time, but when you match him up against a big, physicaly corner and they clog the middle, we're done for. Welker can't stretch the field!
My argument is the Pats could get enough production over the middle, get what they can for him and just make some move for someone like Meachem. Lloyd, Wayne and a rookie. We could actually improve our offense.
I'm not insane...just looking at it in a different light It would be dull if everyone said 'oooo but we love Wes so he has to stay'...there are both pros an cons to both keeping him on the field and in terms of economics imo.
Welker isn't limiting the offense at all. What's limiting the offense is that Moss is gone, and his replacements (Aiken/Tate/Johnson) have stunk. Wes Welker is the most productive slot man in the history of the NFL. Getting rid of him would for the likes of Meachem or Wayne would, despite your insistence to the contrary, be insane.
Sometimes i just can't help myself, there are some fans who simply refuse to acknowledge reality and insist over and over that the measurables or fantasy numbers etc... are what really matters. people like this would say over and over and over that Danny Woodhead simply can't play football because he's too small, and no amount of prooff otherwise would ever sway them. he would always need to be replaced because he's too small, and relaity would never stop them from insisting otherwise. That is what is going on here with Welker, he's 5'10 isa all that matters, and Garcon is taller, that's what really matters, screw production Garcon is unstoppable in Madden, that's what really matters.......
I'm sorry, but people like that are braindead and I have no polite way of saying that.
Welker isn't limiting the offense at all. What's limiting the offense is that Moss is gone, and his replacements (Aiken/Tate/Johnson) have stunk. Wes Welker is the most productive slot man in the history of the NFL. Getting rid of him would for the likes of Meachem or Wayne would, despite your insistence to the contrary, be insane.
Again, you're not understanding what I've been saying. Welker's a slot receiver yes..who's lining up more than he should be as a split end. Welker hasn't got the frame or speed to play split end, yet he lines out wide for much of the game matched up on bigger, more physical corners.
When we play aggressive and better defenses, this hurts us.
Now when you talk about replacing his production you look at who lines up in the slot and can the production over the middle be replaced or sustained? Well we have Gronkowski, Hernandez (and I do think Edelman could do a job for us when asked).....if you resign Branch as your veteran with experience and bring in a player that is a more legit down the field threat, then I think our offense would be absolutely fine.
The team's issue is all we have is the middle of the field! In that way, Welker's inability to go wide and play as a traditional split end isn't highlighted enough.
Are you having a bad day??
There's a legit argument to be made that it isn't fiscally sound to commit 9 million per year to a slot receiver who is 31 years old and two years removed from reconstrucive knee surgery.
I mean, we have two pretty good seam, shallow, and intermediate threats in Gronkowski and Hernandez, don't we????
What is Welker doing that they aren't?
Are you having a bad day??
There's a legit argument to be made that it isn't fiscally sound to commit 9 million per year to a slot receiver who is 31 years old and two years removed from reconstrucive knee surgery.
I mean, we have two pretty good seam, shallow, and intermediate threats in Gronkowski and Hernandez, don't we????
What is Welker doing that they aren't?
When have you seen Welker run the deep half of a route tree, the deep out, deep comeback, deep post, or the go route? When has Welker seperated from press-man or when has he forced a secondary to extend to the perimeter of the field??? I can't remember the last time Welker made a catch outside the numbers.
These are questions all personnel evaluators will ask about Welker in regard to his value.
I'm sure everyone here likes Welker, but he isn't irreplaceable...
It wouldn't bother me to see the FO take Welker's 9million and spread it out to Marques Colston, re-sign Branch (put him in slot) and pay out a couple extra million to get Brandon Lloyd in here.
I like Welker, would love to see him stay, but wouldn't be surprised or upset if hey went a different direction.
catching 120 balls for 1500 yards.
catching 120 balls for 1500 yards.
Not a bad day at all, just sick and tired of the same worn out arguments that have been proven wron g repeatedly but keep getting trotted out, just like the one you just made. to put it simply you guys don't know what you are talking about and Welker has proven that beyond any doubt.
You know what would be awesome, replace Brady with Cutler, he has a big arm, and bring back Chad Jackson on the cheap, he can stretch the field..................
Arguing with you guys about this is like arguing with Jet fanss who insist they are the better team regardless of the facts. Reality has no bearing to them, just has it is meaningless to you, all that matters is fantasy numbers and Madden, the reality is irrelevant.
Are you having a bad day??
There's a legit argument to be made that it isn't fiscally sound to commit 9 million per year to a slot receiver who is 31 years old and two years removed from reconstrucive knee surgery.
I mean, we have two pretty good seam, shallow, and intermediate threats in Gronkowski and Hernandez, don't we????
What is Welker doing that they aren't?
When have you seen Welker run the deep half of a route tree, the deep out, deep comeback, deep post, or the go route? When has Welker seperated from press-man or when has he forced a secondary to extend to the perimeter of the field??? I can't remember the last time Welker made a catch outside the numbers.
These are questions all personnel evaluators will ask about Welker in regard to his value.
I'm sure everyone here likes Welker, but he isn't irreplaceable...
It wouldn't bother me to see the FO take Welker's 9million and spread it out to Marques Colston, re-sign Branch (put him in slot) and pay out a couple extra million to get Brandon Lloyd in here.
I like Welker, would love to see him stay, but wouldn't be surprised or upset if hey went a different direction.