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  1. iapatsfan

    iapatsfan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Doesn't this Moss situation seem strikingly similar to what happened with Branch? Instead of being proactive and locking this thing down, we are reacting to what other teams may offer Moss. The only difference is we had a lot more leverage in DB's case because a team had to sacrifice a 1st round pick. I think BB and SP deserve all of the credit in the world for what they've built here, but I think one of their weaknesses is holding out on new deals for too long.

    If we do not get this Moss thing worked out, can anybody honestly say we won't be taking a huge step backwards next year. Does anybody honestly think Wes is going to be the same type of player he was this year w/out Moss stretching defenses? That goes for the rest of the O as well.

    Obviously, every day that goes by, the odds of sigining impact free agents goes down. Minus making a couple impact trades and having a tremendous draft, I don't see how we are not going to take a huge step back next year.
    Take a look at the available free agents. How many of these guys won't be a huge step down from the guys we've already lost?
     
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    Hok Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    The Moss situation and the Branch situation are in no way alike.
     
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    Mortensen was on ESPN a few minutes ago and said Moss and GB are deep into discussions and the Pats did in fact low-ball Moss offering him only 13MM in guaranteed money. Just a heads up.
     
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    Stop criticizing our team, that’s not allowed here.
     
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    No question in my mind we are going back to a more ball control offense like the one that won us 3 SB's. A faster hard hitting defense also. This may be a rebuilding year .. if so then good I like it.

    Why anyone would spend huge $$$ on a guy who did not get you a ring is beyond me ... I'd rather spend that $$$ moving up some spots in the draft.
     
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    slash83 In the Starting Line-Up

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    ****n bs man this sucks
     
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    MrClutch Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    The Friggin' Sky Is Falling!
     
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    Relax. Go get your homework done so you can really enjoy tonight's slumber party. Good LORD this site has blown chunks for YEARS now. I'm not happy with the Moss situation, either, but takea freakin' breath.
     
  9. LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks

    LoganMankinsPancakeBlocks On the Game Day Roster

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    Can anyone confirm this? I don't really trust this guy and I'd think we'd see it on rotoworld or PFT if true, but he was telling the truth about Schefter backing up Clayton's story.
     
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    Their biggest weakness is not locking up their young players two years before free agency like thay did with Ty Warren. They are under the cap by 22 mil so what is holding them back, I think the owner has short arms and deep pockets when it comes to paying players "bonus money". Guys this is the 2nd richest franchise in the NFL and after the complex is complete they will be rivaling the #1 position, but this issue comes up to much just to be a subject Michael Felger brings up every off season. All ready paying the highest ticket prices even before the 40% increase, paying $40-50 to park on game day. I think the fans and Brady deserve more.
     
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    I was only $1 million off ... good .. no way I offer him more than that especially for a guy that is on the downside ... yup downside ... he had trouble getting past jams this year...that is why he fizzled down the stretch.

    Teams jammed him and blitzed Brady ... so why waste the $$$ on a pansy like Moss.
     
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    How much were the Pats offering in incentives is my question? I have a feeling that the Pats offer would be lucrative presuming Moss performed on the field (as he is more than capable of) and was a model citizen.
     
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    All we can do is relax and wait.
     
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    There has to be more to the story.
     
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    You don't have to trust me, I don't blame you. Check out a packer board or something I dunno. Surely I'm not the only one in the world who was watching ESPN at the exact time Mortensen came on. Oh, and in response the the person speaking of incentives that's all Mortensen said was the 13MM guaranteed. He didn't talk about incentives or anything else like that.
     
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    I'm with you pal. I wonder what effect the loss of Moss would have on

    Tom Brady's psyche. Tom may be in contact with Randy Moss with

    regard to the situation.
     
  17. NormZauchin

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    I'm concerned about the effect of the loss of Moss on Brady. It will be two of the past three years that the Pats will have let Brady's top receiver skip town over compensation issues. I thought that the FO was correct on Branch; he was a good, but not great player who was under contract to them. Not having him may have cost New England a SuperBowl, but he has done little in Seattle to justify what they paid for him. Moss is a different matter entirely. He is an elite receiver who is a free agent. Stallworth's apparent departure makes it much more important that Moss be signed. Belichick and Pioli are among the best at evaluating talent and plugging that talent into the right positions without mortgaging the future. But they do make mistakes and all longtime Patriot fans can remember a couple. Risking the unhappiness of Tom Brady by not signing Randy Moss is path best not taken.
     
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    Sorry, you two, but the Moss and Branch situations are nothing at all alike. I can't believe the level of ineptitude that has sudden arisen, all for the sake of panicking.
     
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    I agree. They are not specifically the same. But they MAY be similar in that events are going down a path where the outcome is simply not within our means (money) or control (what Randy wants). In that sense, they are similar.

    Personally, I'm a lot more worried about the CB/LB positions. With or without Moss our offense will be solid. It may be more balanced like 2003 and 2004 but it will still be quite produtive. It's the thought of someone like Jason Webster lining up at CB that should be keeping people up at night, not Moss.
     
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  20. Sean Pa Patriot

    Sean Pa Patriot Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Lets just wait and let itself play out..
     
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