This message board is unpatriotic.

Discussion in 'Patriot Nation' started by HOGHEAVEN, Aug 30, 2012.

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    HOGHEAVEN Rookie

    This message board is simply unpatriotic. I am unable to post my opinion whether it be negative or positive without a moderator removing it. My basic freedom of speech is therefore denied while participating on this board. Back in 2007 I wanted to debate the spygate issue. Yet the second I brought it up was instantly given an infraction.

    Why am I back? Well after all these years I got an email message from the mods. Why in the world would you email me after making it apparently clear that your message board is clearly run by facists.

    I happen to be a part of a Skins message board. Plenty of people who have different opinions post there messages. We view them as trolls. Yet they are able to post there opinions.

    I find it quite hypocritical to have message board for "Patriots" when clearly the moderator rules with an iron fist. Basically tries to stomp out any opinion that may differ from his own regardless of the facts.

    Yes in my eyes the Patriots SB wins are tainted. Spygate era is what I call it. A team who is owned by the Giants. In fact the name should be the New England Eli Mannings. Manning to Burress touchdown! Yeah so! You cant talk about it like men. Go ahead I am waiting for this message to be taken down in facist Hitler style. GO ahead Mods!
  2. Crossfire

    Crossfire Rookie

    The problem with your comment is that freedom of speech only applies to government involvement. The message board here is not run by the government. So actually your "basic freedom of speech" is not being denied. You are coming onto a privately owned web forum, and therefore you are not granted or guaranteed any "basic freedom of speech" as is the same thing with any other privately owned message board.

    Try again

  3. TBradyOwnsYou

    TBradyOwnsYou 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    If it were up to me, every idiot who uses "there" when they mean "their" would be banned immediately. So it could be worse for you!
  4. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    Not exactly sure what being a fan of a particular football team has to do with caring about one's country. Although as far as team names go I can think of none that are as blatantly racist as Redskins. How fans of your team defend keeping that unconscionably degrading name is unimaginable to me.

    As far as what happened in 2007 goes my suggestion is to compare and contrast the difference between the causation and correlation. Why you are so fixated on an event that happened five years ago and wish to continue discussing it now as if it is a current event can only be termed as obsessive behavior; same could be said about still whining about having a comment removed from a message board five years later.

    While it may not have been discussed elsewhere to your level of approval (which I find very hard to believe), trust me - the subject has been debated here. In fact, the topic has been beaten to death more than the proverbial dead horse. So that while it may have been a new conversation to you, it most likely was something that the same talking points had been brought up so many times previously that it made it so redundant that it was exiled.

    As for the snow bowl game (aka tuck rule game) the referees made the correct call. The rule was - and still is on the books. In fact the one thing they did not call correctly on that play was a blow to the head by Woodson, which should have moved the ball up 15 yards for a first down. It is not up to referees to decide whether or not a rule is a good one or bad one; it is up to them to enforce the rules that are on the books. Do you really want referees to ignore the rule book and instead just call fouls as they deem fit? If that's the case then why bother with a rule book at all? That call was made three times that year and has been called at least once every year since. Something tells me that you never once complained about any of the other times the rule was enforced - which would make you a hypocrite, would it not?

    Do you really think that when you came here to talk about filming or the playoff game against the Raiders that you were the first fan of another team to do so?

    As for an email that may have been sent out it was system generated; no moderator sat down and typed it out specifically to you. As you can see from the number of emails that you have received from this site it is extremely rare. If one email every five years is too many for your senses to handle then perhaps you may want to go to your email tools and block correspondence from this site.

    Good luck to your team despite its totally unacceptable name. Perhaps this will be the first time since Bush was president that they have a winning season.

    Sorry to disappoint you but as a moderator your message - and my response - remains here, for your viewing pleasure.
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2012

    HOGHEAVEN Rookie

    What are you the grammar police? Who cares? Anyhow Eli Manning owns u.

    HOGHEAVEN Rookie

    Well Ill give you guys credit for not taking down my post. Last time it was taken down quickly.

    Anyways no one had ever heard of the tuck rule before that game. There have been many fumbles that looked exactly like the tuck play. Fix job if you ask me. The league just wanted the Pats to win post 9/11. No way did they want the Raiders to win.
    What about spygate? Knowing what the other team is doing is certainly an unfair advantage. So therefore your SB wins should have an asterisk next to them in the record books.
  7. captain insano

    captain insano In the Starting Line-Up

    #11 Jersey

    thats awesome. are you done now?
  8. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    If you believe games are fixed based on who the league wants to win then why do you bother watching the NFL? Let me guess, you believe the Redskins are bad because the league doesn't like Dan Snyder, so they conspire to have opponents beat them week in and week out?

    Tuck rule: bad rule, correct call. Still on the books. Still gets called several times every year.

    If the video taping had such a profound effect then how do you explain the team's record being better after than it was before? How do they ever lose a game? Why didn't they win the Super Bowl by four touchdowns every year? Since it involved taping of defensive signals why weren't they scoring 40+ points every game from 2000 to 2006? How does taping defensive signals cause that team's offense sputter and throw interceptions or make special team blunders?

    As for your theories, believe what you want to believe; obviously wild speculation is of much greater importance to you than any factual evidence. You may want to acquaint yourself with the definitions of causation and correlation if you want to have an intelligent conversation on the subject though. Otherwise you may as well say that 'I just know aliens are controlling our thoughts from Area 51; prove I'm wrong'.
  9. bradygronk

    bradygronk Rookie

    Go Patriots!!!
  10. One-Be-Lo

    One-Be-Lo On the Game Day Roster

    #87 Jersey

    filming was and still is legal why can't people get this through their heads? patriots were guilty of not having their camera in the correct place... an enclosed video booth. Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Bill Cowher and many others have defended them numerous times. but I guess biased message boarders are somehow more knowledgeable on the game than these great coaches.. "spygate" was the most overblown sports story of all time but have fun acting like you know something.
  11. Sciz

    Sciz Supporter Supporter

    If that's how you're going to talk, then I can see why they banned you. Good job, mods.
  12. Texxx

    Texxx Practice Squad Player

    You're going to sit here and act like going to two SB's and having the best combined regular season records over the last few seasons isn't an obvious indication that Spygate was a ton of nothing? Seriously, hate the team all you want, but to act like they haven't accomplished anything since then is downright stupid. The Patriots have carried on their dynasty, but have come up short in the SB twice now. Big deal. Tom Brady continues to carry on his legacy.

    If you want to criticize this board, then talk about how unfriendly it is to fellow fans. That's the problem that I'd talk about. At least it is somewhat valid, but that is still subjective I guess. Either way, this is just a bash the Patriots troll thread out of envy if you ask me.
  13. One-Be-Lo

    One-Be-Lo On the Game Day Roster

    #87 Jersey

    Did you tell Bill Cowher that? He seems to totally disagree, but what does he know
  14. JJDChE

    JJDChE 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    I'm not sure why this post is still up. Sorry for the delay.
  15. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    #75 Jersey

    Well jmt57 is involved and he is the kind and gentle moderator. He's the good cop and I'm the bad cop.

    I would have banned you and another jerk in a matter of seconds.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
  16. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    So if Tyree hadn't made the ridiculous helmet catch, or if Welker had caught the late pass from Brady, then you would be here saying 'well, the Pats won post-2007, so that's proof that it had no effect, right?


    Something tells me that's not even remotely close to being the case whatsoever.

    By the way, you may want to verse yourself with the meaning of the words causation and correlation, and familiarize yourself with the difference between the two terms.
  17. 12downPat

    12downPat Rookie

    It's only a problem to uneducated so-called-fans with an agenda.
  18. reflexblue

    reflexblue Supporter Supporter

    #91 Jersey

    Another assclown bringing up spy gate and cheating. Goodell never said they cheated, he said they violated the memo he sent out that year. The memo that was sent out every year but was enforced for the first time in 07.
  19. reflexblue

    reflexblue Supporter Supporter

    #91 Jersey

    You have to win a lot more than that to be called a dynasty. The giants aren't i dynasty yet, to be one they have a long ways to go.
  20. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?

    Your tired old "haven't won since" (gee, I never heard that one before) logic is what I was replying to. It's the equivalent of saying I wore a green shirt and it rained, the next day I wore a black shirt and it was sunny; therefore wearing a green shirt causes it to rain. never did I say or imply that the Giants were lucky or the Pats got screwed.

    Let me simplify it for you: what I was saying was that had the Patriots won (or if they win in the near future), are you going to sit here and tell me that you are suddenly going to change your mind, because they won a Super Bowl post 2006?

    Obviously the answer is no.

    Yet at the same time you want to use this as some type of "evidence" and "proof" to suit your biased viewpoint.

    However, in your reply you do offer some proof of the mis-truths regarding the event. You ever hear the phrase about how if something gets repeated often enough, it becomes accepted as fact?

    You fell right into that trap.

    Here's a clue: the Patriots never recorded another team's practice. In the withchunt that ensued in 2007-08, unfounded accusations such as this one from people like you that wanted the witch to burnt at the stake in the village square got repeated so often that people accepted them as facts ... but there was no truth to them whatsoever.

    You have zero objectivity because you've completely ignored facts in your zeal to convict someone you decided that you don't like ... most likely because he is the leader of the team that kept your favorite team from reaching their goals so many times.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
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