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  1. Lloyd_Christmas

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    Well, somebody had to do it. Can anyone make a plausible argument of he makes the team?

    In another thread I said they might PUP him, giving him a chance to slip in if some of the other WRs didn't pan out.

    I'm revising my opinion. As much as I love Troy Brown as a Patriot player, I just don't see how he makes this team.

    Why?

    1) Moss, Stallworth, and Welker are virtual locks to make the team.

    2) Caldwell and Gaffney are better WRs than Troy Brown at this point in his career. That makes 5 WRs ahead of Brown.

    3) Washington would likely be the 6th WR if the Patriots choose to even keep that many on the roster.

    4) Even if Washington busts, you still have Chad Jackson. He is about as health as Brown (ie, not very). They will probably heal up at about the same time. Who are you going to keep? Troy Brown for what would definitely be his last season or Chad Jackson, a first round draft pick with lots of potential? The choice is obvious.

    Sorry Troy. You deserve to be inducted in the Patriots Hall of Fame, but you don't deserve to make the roster.

    Face it guys, Brown is done as a Patriots player.
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    I don't think Moss is a lock to make the team as well as Washington. I can see Jackson being put on the PUP and Gaffney not making the final cut as well. If Troy wants back he will be back at another wr's expense trust me.
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    Sadly, I agree.

    I certainly hope there is a nice position for Troy in the franchise. No one deserves it more.
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    If it comes down to it, I'd rather have CJ on the team than Troy. Sacriledge, I know. There's a bigger payoff for him in having another year to get on the same page as Brady. The line about Troy always seemed to be that his familiarity with Brady made him the most dependable in clutch situations, but I think the AFCCG might have put that to rest.

    We love you forever Troy, but I don't see where you fit right now.

    Moss
    Welker
    Stworth
    Gaffney
    Caldwell
    Jackson
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    Bill Belichick. He's already explained this several times, but apparently you weren't listening. Troy brings things to the table that others in the WR role do not. Including knowledge of the system which CJ can only ever hope to master, rapore with the QB, confidence on ST, and capacity to play DB.

    Therefore if healthy, he represents value and Bill expects him to be on the roster barring injury complications. Period.
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    OK- here isa how it's going to go. Troy will be signed and then PUP'ed. If we should lose a reciever or one is not living up to expectations, he will be activated.

    BB already said Troy had a place on this team. I take him at his word.
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    I heard him say that, but was it BB speak for "Thanks for all the memories Troy, you are one helluva player" ???

    You know BB would never come out and say Troy is over the hill.

    Troy will never play DB again. He was a liability, but we were very desperate that year. BB got plenty of "attaboys" for playing him both ways, just as he did for having Flutie make a successful drop kick and Vinnie extending his career TD streak. You won't see it again even if he makes the team, which he won't.

    PatsNUTme wrote:
    "BB already said Troy had a place on this team. I take him at his word."

    Again, you know BB is not going to say what he is really thinking. Much like injury report, the less everyone else knows, the better. Besides, he thinks to highly of Troy to be frank about it. He says Troy has a place on this team out of respect. I think BB is the best NFL coach in history, but I would never take him at his word... part of the strategy is not showing your cards.
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    The place I would caution you is that the 4th and 5th WRs typically need to play on special teams. None of those 3 guys are considered very good ST players. Browon had always been a great ST player.

    Chad Jackson is the 6th WR if there is one on the active roster. There is no way a Gaffney, Caldwell, or Washington would be kept in what is clearly a developmental role where the player would never be active. Most likely CJ starts on PUP and we carry 5 WRs.
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    Nope - Bill is the master of non-commital when he wants to be. He's not just paying him lip service, I've heard him and seen him answering that question now on a couple of occasions, and he's not dodging. Just because you see things differently than he does, doesn't mean you aren't just "out of touch" with the team, too.
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    He also got a Superbowl ring but who really remembers, right?
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    Maybe he "retires" and comes back as a coach? He's the ULTIMATE professional, and deserves some sort of capacity in the NFL. If he wants to play, cut Washington, and ship out Caldwell to the Titans for a low pick, PUP Jackson and voila

    Moss
    Stallworth
    Welker
    Gaffney
    Brown

    if he doesn't want to play anymore, make him an assistant coach.
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    There is a reason they don't let fans run these organizations. That said, he already has a lifetime job lined up after retirement with this organization, and it pays a lot more for a lot less hours and effort that assistant coaching.
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    IF Troy Brown is healthy, then Troy Brown will be on this team. Period.....I have no doubt, none whatsoever.
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    Why do you have no faith in caldwell? He was great until the AFC championship game. And Gaffney is good, and showed signs of connecting well with brady, but right now, I would take Caldwell.
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    This makes the most sense to me. I hope and think this is what will happen.
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    I don't see how there's any room for Troy Brown on this team. I hope we keep him in a coaching capacity, but I think he's done. Pats organization has never made personnel decisions by sentiment.
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    TB has said before....he doesn't want to coach.

    Why do people think this is some kind of honor?

    It's long hours,low pay and you get no recognition

    Either TB will sign and go on PUP or he'll retire.

    That's it.......coaching is not an option
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    :agree: :ditto: :yeahthat:

    In Bill I trust... he said it, who am I to think diff. Yes, TB is one of my favorite players, YES, TB is "past his prime"... YES, you make good points... but at the end of the day, BB has been asked about this over and over again... and on at least two diff. occasions, he has said that there is a place on this team for TB.

    I've got to think that, barring medical/health issues... TB is on the 53 man roster come Sept.
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    BB also told Bledsoe he would be given equal practice time when he was healthy again so that he could fairly compete for the starting job.

    It didn't happen that way though did it? I'm not saying that BB made the wrong decision - to limit Bledsoe's practice time in order to properly prepare Brady. In fact, I agree with the decision entirely.

    The point is that things change. Just because BB says something today doesn't mean he won't do the opposite later if it is the best thing for the team at that time.
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    he's versatile. he can play wr, db, and special teams. he might not excel at any one of them, but he can contribute to all three of them if needed. that is valuable.

    oh, and he's an emergency quarterback. he does it all.
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    I can. BILL BELICHICK HAS SAID SO. That's my argument. What's the point of this?
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    This is so COMPLETELY NOT the same situation. You're also basing that on Drew's POV of a situation that was far more complex, but we'll set that aside. This situation is totally different. Truly, this is bordering on idiotic.
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    Agree completely...

    Chad Jackson was a 2nd round draft choice who maybe out for the year, while Brown will be ready to play at the beginning of the season... Who would YOU play?
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    I might get ripped for saying this, but he's either been invisible or choked in two straight playoff runs.

    Belichick has not shyed away from making tough decision before, but I think a healthy Chad Jackson is more valuable in December than Troy Brown.

    The jury is still out on CJ here. With how his rehab is progressing, he could be 100% by early October. This is a second round draft pick who has, at the least, the potential to be a solid #2 guy. I think if you add up the dollars and cents here, it doesn't look good for Troy.
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    I don't think so, I think Troy has been one of the more reliable but I don't think he gets as many catches because the defenses cover him up good knowing he's Brady's 'go to' guy in the crutch... Just my opinion on it.. Just think, we wouldn't have even played the Colts in the Championship game if it wasn't for Troy Brown..
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    I'm not sure I agree with that completely. Troy performed well last year, but he was an afterthought to Caldwell and Gaffney in the playoffs. Actually, one could argue that his miscommunication with Brady cost us the game. I don't know whose fault that was, Brady definitely didn't have his best game, but factor that in with the muffed punt in Denver and my confidence level isn't exactly in the stratosphere. And if you want to go further than that, you could say that if we had signed Deion my username might be "OneForTheThumb."
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    I don't see how it is so different. BB said something but then the situation later caused him to go against his previous statement and do what was best for the team.

    I can see that happening this time as well (that is assuming that BB was serious to begin with - He can't exactly say Troy is done now can he?). If he did indeed mean it, then what happens if the other WRs outplay Troy to the point that BB know it is not in the best interest of the team to put him on the final roster? What happens if a number of fringe players from any position over achieve on STs or otherwise carve out a role that is more important?

    Even if he meant it (something I am not sure of), BB is going to do what is best for the team when push comes to shove. Right now, I don't see Troy making it.

    You obviously do see him making it. Great! Some posters agree with you and some do not. If it were indeed bordering on idiotic, I don't think the responses would be 50-50 on the subject.
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    I was wrong on the draft round. I think I got confused because some said at the time that he was projected to go in the first round and we were lucky to get him in round 2.

    Anyway, I read recently that both Brown and Jackson were still healing and that both might be ready for the start of the season but that neither was a sure thing to be ready by then.

    If I have that wrong, by all means correct me.

    The best argument I have heard so far is that ST could play a larger part in the selection than pure talent at WR. I can buy that. I do think that the current mix of new players (Moss, Stallworth, and Wash

    ington) combined with mediocre starters who are versed in the system (Caldwell, Gaffney, Brown) makes me think that we will carry more of those pure WR types than we might otherwise. Unless the newbies catch on fast (including timing with Brady), it will be hard to let Caldwell and/or Gaffney go.
    In that situation, I see Brown behind Caldwell and Gaffney in the role of vet with familiarity, although he does have versatility the other two don't have.
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    The biggest play in the SD game was made by Troy Brown.
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    He's a smart player. That was a phenomenally heads-up play that potentially saved the game. His performance at his actual position was a distant third in the playoffs to Caldwell and Gaffney.

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