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    Seems like every year there are so many calls the refs just basically get wrong and the losing team is left agonizing of what could have been if the calls went there way. It is happening so much now that I think it has to be a part of the equation and teams/coaches need to account for that and have plays designed as such.

    It's game after game after game.....some teams get hit harder but I think each team would say they are the victims. It's the sad truth but its probably impossible to get every call right however refs these days are making more mistakes leading to all the controversy and discussions. Even though we feel calls go mostly against us - have been reading on the 49ers message boards how the Pats DBs mugged the Rams WR in 2002 SB and refs "let them play".....

    Also drops, fumbles, etc - they are gonna happen and have to be looked at as being part of the game and teams need to win despite that.

    Bad refereeing and key drops/mistakes by teams are not isolated incidents but part of the norm. Not breaking any major news - just stating the obvious....
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    The way things work now in the NFL is the differences between good teams at the top of the heap -- especially in the playoffs -- are razor thin. Winning or losing depends on injury, turnovers, a mistake, a ref's call, or a lucky bounce of the ball. That's why the two SB losses to the Giants are so frustrating. Little things end up being big difference makers and get big focus.
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    For sometime now the media have been saying that in the SB the refs 'allow teams to play more ' than in the regular season or in the playoffs. IMO thats just isn't true. The refs typically call the game one-sided. The most recent was this years SB. But I remember the SB with the Steelers vs the Seahawks. That was the most lopsided game ever. I cannot believe that the refs call the games that way in the most meaningful game of the season.

    Sometimes I honestly believe that the refs have a stake in the game or they are blinded by sentimental reasons, case in point 'Lewis retiring' etc or 'the bus' retiring etc. And then ofcourse last years SB vs the Giants. It really upsets me when a game is decided in the last couple of mins because of the refs!! If they are going to allow the teams to 'just play', they should call it that way for both teams!!
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    Well the Ravens sure didn't have to deal with the refs being against them at all. They were handed two games by the refs (Pats on about eight key blown calls; Chargers on the 28 yard play that was good enough to convert 4th and 29), and had the better end of things in the Super Bowl.
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    have you been following the Soccer syndicate that has been fixing matches including World cup qualifiers, FIFA matches? all masterminded and controlled from Singapore.

    i am just saying -- lets not be naive -- NBA games, pro soccer games have been fixed and influenced.

    i have no idea if the lopsided referee performance is linked to a conspiracy.

    but i would not be shocked if something like that were revealed.

    -- FRITZ




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    double ditto.
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    Fixing sports is a worldwide problem. Horse racing, boxing anything where people will frame a market to bet.

    And it's not the whole game that has to be rigged or fixed but aspects, it's called spot fixing. This is where events within a game like who scores first or whatever .

    One of the biggest fixing problems is in international cricket! There can be 100's of opportunities in EVERY GAME for deliberate manipulation.

    I think it would be naive in the extreme to think it doesn't exist in the country that almost write the book.
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    It's the effect of parity. 20 years ago, when Super Bowls were blowouts, no bad call would make any bit of a difference. These days you easily reverse the outcome of a game - and therefore a championship - by doing no more than reversing a single call.
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    Not to call "conspiracy theory" but I do think that the NFL wants certain teams to win over other teams, especially in the playoffs. This year, I believe they really wanted the Ravens to win it all. We and the 49ers got screwed by the refs in my opinion.
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    Yep, and the pats only scoring 13 points, and in the red zone what 6 times? Just doesn't add up.
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    I'll ask you the same question I ask all the conspiracy theorists (and have yet to have answered):

    If you believe that, then why are you a fan of the league?
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    I was a fan of Brock Lesnar when he wrestled NCAA...I wanted Brock to win the belt in the WWE....

    I've been an NFL fan since I was 7 and I'll die a fan...doesn't change the fact that the past decade seems shady.....SB after SB with curious calls and non calls, yet every game in doubt right down to the last minutes of the 4th quarter...yeah, it makes for great entertainment...it's just doesn't fit the look test.
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    This has been the one thing that always bothered me. There should be blowouts in the Super Bowl
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    The Bears blew out the Pats 46-10...remember that one...the enxt day the cry was all the viewers switching channels in the 3rd quarter....companies paid for air time for their ads and lost 3/4's of their anticipated audience for the last 20 minutes of that game...and others....Desmond Howard prompted mass channel clicks back in '96.

    Then comes 2000 and everything accelerates...ticket prices go up...prices for 30 second ads go stratospheric...TV contracts blow sky high....billions of new dollars make their appearance...and ever since, every single season, there's this "the mafia is fixing game!!!---"no they're not, do you know how many people would have to b in on it!!!"....THAT is the ol' misdirection....there's no mafia fix, there's no one "in on it".... EXCEPT the 32 owners, TV networks and advertisers...why would they EVER admit to collusion?...they're raking in billions upon billions of previously unforeseen monies...it's a veritable treasure bath.

    Take a three week old rotting rainbow trout....paint it with three shades of spray paint...you STILL have a rotten trout...but half the people will insist it's fresh caught today..."just look at those colors!!!!"....
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    Horrible analogy. The WWE makes absolutely zero pretense that it is an honest competition. It's much like going to the circus; you see great athleticism but not any sort of actual contest. Just a pre-scripted ballet.
    But you haven't answered the question. WHY are you a fan of a sport that you feel is rigged? The very essence of enjoying competitive sports comes down to the idea of fair play.

    We as a society are somewhat forgiving of those who cheat to get ahead. But rigging outcomes of championship games? That was be an unforgivable, deadly sin.
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    There's nothing I can say to you that will change your mind...you KNOW it's all on the level

    I say to you I was a fan of the NCAA wrestler Brock Lesnar-(the NFL pre 2000)

    I say I am still a fan of the WWE wrestler Brock Lesnar (the NFL post 1999)

    you still go beserk accosting me with "that's a horrible analogy!!!!!"...WTF is it with you??? you must be the "I'm always 100% right about everything and if you disagree anything you say is horrible!!!!" internet Einstein.

    Believe what you want...99% of the educated ruling classes of Europe believed the earth was flat in 1450.....and used the exact same denunciation YOU just gave me.
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    at least we don't follow European soccer...talk about the norm
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    Probably because they're rigged? There is proof of that happening.
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    Prove to me that sports aren't rigged. Good luck with that one bucko...

    and Pete Rose is a saint too.

    You probably believe everything that you hear on tv. Those late night infomercials love you.
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    Gambling is a HUGE biz.

    Let the Pats go to the superbowl again, or, make history with 2 brothers?... hmmmm

    Ratings and gambling are huge for all sports.

    The fix is in!
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    JUST for the sake of argument, (haha) ;lets say the AFCCG was fixed for the Ravens. then which were the events that swayed the game?

    - which calls by the refs changed the game?
    - was welker in on it? or Brady?


    and PS have you noticed that there are a lot of family deaths amongst and player deaths in the news. i dont hve a catalog of them, but there seem prevalent. could players be receiving threatening "messages" to play a certain way. certainly not unthinkable......

    -- FRITZ
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    I think a big part of it for me is I'm frustrated and maybe I'm a sore loser. I'm still not sure that Ridley fumble was truly a fumble. I don't remember everything exactly but I want to say there was a pass interference call on us that they probably should have let go. On the flip side, there were some calls that weren't made that we should have got.
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    The Ravens were holding on both sides of the ball the entire game and nobody cared.

    In my opinion the games aren't called consistently once you hit the championship games and the super bowl. He other factor is that emotion and energy play a bigger part T that level and can trump a more skilled opponent.

    I do think all the close super bowls recently are pretty fishy.
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    This is another thing that baffles me about people like you. What you're saying simply makes no sense.

    If the NFL wanted to fix the outcome for maximum ratings, the Ravens are the LAST team they would have gone with. Nobody (outside ESPN) gave a crap about the coaches being brothers. They would have wanted Denver-NE in the AFCCG and either one of those choices would have been better than Baltimore in the Super Bowl.
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    Another horrible analogy, which only further demonstrates the bankrupcy of your contention (not to mention that your analogy is 100% false; people in the 1400's knew the Earth was round).

    Thing is, you obviously aren't even understanding what I am saying. I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong (even though that is certainly the case). What I'm saying is: If you're right and the games are rigged, why are you even bothering to watch them and be a fan of the league in the first place?

    That's a question no one in here has answered yet, even though I have asked it several times.
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    You're asking me to prove a negative. That alone shows your dubious hold on standards of logic and evidence.
    Pete Rose gambled on games in which he participated. You will not find anyone argue more vehemently than me that he deserves his lifetime banishment.
    And the tin foil hat makers love you.
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    will you please STFU with your arrogant dismissiveness, you idiot....flat earthers have been around as late as the 18th century....

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    I only wish you were alive and running your mouth in the 1400's...I'd enjoy listening to your screams as you were burned at the stake for heresy.Myself, I'd take the same path that Copernicus and Galileo took and keep my mouth shut about any geocentric arguments that run counter to the holy mother church.

    ]why are you even bothering to watch them and be a fan of the league in the first place?

    That's a question no one in here has answered yet, even though I have asked it several times.


    you must be a sub-mongoloid in a meat suit.....why do people watch?...because the NFL is entertaining.

    People watch events because they are entertained by them....how many times does this need to be repeated before your get it, Rufus? I guess we should all "not bother" and just do things exactly like YOU, the moron dictator of absolute certainties, demands.
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    No foolin', and there are idiots alive today who think we have never stepped foot on the moon. There are also idiots around today who think the folks in the Middle Ages believed the Earth was flat.

    You said "99% of the educated ruling classes of Europe believed the earth was flat in 1450." That statement is 100% untrue. Don't get mad at me when all I did was accurately call out your ignorance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

    "The idea that educated men at the time of Columbus believed that the earth was flat, and that this belief was one of the obstacles to be overcome by Columbus before he could get his project sanctioned, remains one of the hardiest errors in teaching."

    "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching."
    Son, you really need professional help.
    Galileo was charged with heresy for saying the Earth was not the center of the universe. Everyone knew the Earth was round.
    What is so entertaining about watching a competition with a pre-determined outcome? Why come in here and discuss what happened, and stats and stuff.

    Seriously, like I said. Get some help, son.
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    How do you account for the fact that if the NFL were fixed there would be so many people involved that someone would have spoken up by now, especially the players that were 'forced' to lose.
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