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  1. PATRIOTS-80

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    Those will be our 2 starting WRs next year. I think Troy Brown will be back if Bruschi comes back, and I think the odds are actually good. Chad Jackson will have a training camp, and the opportunity to become the 3rd WR.

    Here's the thing, if we don't extend at least either Gaffney or Caldwell, this time next year, we will have to start it all over with Brady and WR uncertainty. I think we should extend Gaffney and Calwell, and hopefully start working Chad Jackson and maybe another rookie into the equation.
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    How are Brown and Bruschi tied to each other as far as coming back?
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    Bruschi is considering whether to come back or not in '07. If you watched America's Game #9, where Bruschi and Troy Brown narrate the season, you will see how much it means to them that they are the two oldest Patriots on the squad. I think if Bruschi retires, I think Brown will retire too with his buddy. JMHO.
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    I think we need to see a little more from Gaffney before we extend him.
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    It's not far-fetched that they extend or re-do Gaffney, as he is making vet min this season and is penciled in at number two. He seems to be excited about being a Patriot, and clearly has talent, so something might get done this offseason there.
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    I think both are signed thru the 2007 season...:eek:
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    I think that Chad Jackson will emerge as the #1, given a positive off season and a healthy training camp he will be a very good receiver for this team. Also agree that the other two will be fine also..
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    Gaffney and Caldwell were fine. We have the players, we just need to figure out how to have a consistent running game.
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    great minds think alike...i was thinking about this too.If you sign both at the end or mid of next season these 2 are going to be around till brady is around which locks the 2 #2 WR and gives stability.C.J ,Bam and Kight and many others can in rotation but keep 2 WR here cheap for brady`s entire career.
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    I must have missed this. Can you provide the link where BB said he wasn't going to sign a Free Agent or trade for a starting caliber WR?

    I guess those of us who thought there might be plans to upgrade this position are looking pretty stupid now, but I'd be interested in what he cited as his decision - especially this early when free agency or the trade season hasn't even started.
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    I agree with you 100%.

    Caldwell-Gaffney-Jackson should be our core for many years to come. We have Jackson for 3 more seasons, we should take a chance and extend Gaffney and Caldwell now before their stock rises too much. I have a lot of faith in the coaching staff and BB to be able to get Jackson to realize his potential over the next couple of seasons. If he does, then we will have a really dangerous group of wideouts.
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    no, i think caldwell is an ideal #2 wr and gaffney an ideal #3. i really think the pats need to get a solid #1 wr this offseason. if brown comes back he will be #4 leaving chad jackson with a chance to prove himself next year. i think the pats lack of a #1 wr really showed up in the afc championship. caldwell was trying to do too much and took himself of his own element.
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    Donte Stallworth is a fee agent, he would be perfect as our number one reciever here. Then you have gaffney, and Caldwell as 2 and 3. That wouldnt be that bad.
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    You guys seem to have misunderstood my post. Gaffney and Caldwell are signed through '07, but then they are FA. Sure we want to add talent to the WR core, but Gaffney and Calwell are important cogs and if don't extend them this year, we need to draft their replacements (because of the fact rookies rarely contribute). I am looking down the road at '08.

    I would love if we signed Stallworth, etc.to a good contract... But there are not many good FA WR out there though.
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    CJ could end up being a #1. We'll see. People expecting a rookie WR to be anything right away are hopelessly naive.
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    I have no problem extending Gaffney and Caldwell ASAP. I like tham both as insurance policies, as qualified #3 veteran wide receivers, who can fill in if needed. Gaffney is the best prospect for a long-term contributer, and a potential quality starting wide receiver.

    This is the kind of depth this team is built on. We succeed because of players like Hochstein, Thomas, O'Callaghan, Green, Yates, Wright, Chad Scott, and Hawkins. I put Gaffney and Caldwell in this group.

    I would note that there is exacly ONE wide receiver with a lock to make the squad next year: Chad Jackson, and since he has been injured twice, the danger of IR is certainly there. We won't give up on Jackson until at least the conclusion of his second year. He is likely be given until the end of his third camp until he is truly evaluated.

    I expect us to bring in at least FOUR receivers, a combination of free agents and draftees. One could be Troy Brown, which is fine.

    We need receivers who can catch the imperfect passes, who can stretch the field, who are dependable, who are clutch over the middle, who are clutch on third down, who can run excellent routes and who are clutch at the end of games and in the playoffs.

    I do believe that we COULD go to the SB with our current group; we almost did. We needed one miracle stand from the top defense in the AFC. HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that this is by far our worst unit, with the starters far from probowl quality. All other units are fine, although some upgrading is possible at any position except starting QB and starting DE. Even at these positions, we could use upgrades on the backups.
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    Seems a bit premature, which is why I doubt either gets extended this off-season. Caldwell produced in one season, and Gaffney just in the off-season, let's allow them to showcase their wares in another season within this system and establish their value for the Pats. Most clubs out there will be muttering about the QB making them look good given the overwhelming success of other WRs who have moved to greener pastures. I think we can afford them just fine when they come up for renewal.
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    Why would the Patriots care if they leave? They let Givens leave and Branch left, Brady may care but I don't think the FO is concerned one way or the other.

    These guys seem to be ok , 2nd and 3rd WRs but can easily be replaced or upgraded. I think they are fine with one of them or both of them hitting free agency after 2007. As far as roster building moves this is a low priority.
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    They let Givens and Branch leave cause they did not represent value for the cost. If they can be extended without major signing bonus's, (lowering their cap hit if cut), then they represent good value for the cost. (Depending of course on how much they were extended for). The FO cares because these guys have 1 year in the system now, and that represents a certain value beyond pure $$$.
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    We care, because we need a couple of #3 receivers that can step up to start when needed.
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    Well, the FO isn't the one throwing the ball, is it? At some point, Brady has to go to the FO and say he needs some continuity on the offensive side of the ball. Thse guys has their chances, this should be their home. Extending them will be very cheap. They know this is the only system they have succeeded in. Lock them up, hope Jackson emerges, bring a solid addition to our WR core and our troubles on the offensive side of the ball are gone. That's assuming Daniels continues to improve as a coach as well.
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    How can you separate those two things, i.e., Brady caring but not the front office? If they continue to not find a way to keep some continuity in the Brady - WRs situation, I wouldn't blame Tom for looking elsewhere. Very fast answer to my own question, I think solidifying WR is job 1 for the FO. Well, 1A with more speed on defense, especially linebacker.
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    First of all, I enjoy your posts, but in this case, I disagree. The Pats have had a lot of trouble integrating WRs into their system, from vets like Gabriel with obvious talent to first-round cast-offs like Terrell, to big fast second-round picks with great hands, like BJ and CJ. I haven't written off CJ by any means, but I haven't written him in, either.

    Gaffney and Caldwell worked out well, as did Branch and Givens, but at least as many have not and for most of this season it looked pretty bad out there. It's a shame, given the obvious talent behind center.

    So my initial thought was that they should extend G & C, because that's how you build depth. It seems this is the time to do it, when it's not expensive. But it will be no more expensive this summer.

    You see, I'd also like to see them get a WR in FA. If they don't bring in an obvious (and I mean obvious) star, they should sign a WR in the draft. Bring some competition in TC, because this is not a strength of the team.

    Then, if Jackson and any draftees or FA signees beat out G & C for the top spots, it lowers the price of the extension.

    So all in all, if I'm BB, I'm planning on some WR acquisitions, and I'm waiting for TC to decide how much to offer G&C.
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    We need to get a an offense that can be understood by our receivers, or we need to get much better receivers. We now have four receivers that we considered first round quality receivers in their respective drafts: Graham, Gaffney, Caldwell and Jackson. For all, the answer seems to be that they can't seem to understand our offense.
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    Rather than worrying about extending Caldwell's contract, shouldn't we focus on getting Caldwell to extend his arms when catching the ball?:confused:
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    We would only know to extend or resign Gaffney if he has a really good year. Unless they have amazing years they shouldnt be hard to resign.
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    He has alligator arms? I thought he caught too much with his body instead of his hands when the ball was heading into his breadbasket.
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    Did they poll the locker room when they let Milloy go? or Adam V.? or Givens? or when Branch left? Willie M? etc., etc. etc.

    BB & SP are heartless and uncaring, and that is exactly why they are so good. I think they draft a WR on day 1 and Jackson and this draft pick become the future of the position. Caldwell and Gaffney become players who are nice to sign at vet minimum but are nothing special. If the FO looks at them and sees a production / value combo they like then maybe they make a deal but likely not until after 2007. They could rightfully think that their system (and Tom Brady) made these players and they can go out and get them same production from other lower price FAs or even street FAs. We aren't talking about Rice and Taylor.
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    Both are signed through 2007 however Gaffney certainly deserves a new contract based on his performance in the playoff's. Caldwell however had 2 key drops which says he won't be extended anytime soon.
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    This shows you haven't followed this team worth a damn. Particularly mentioning Milloy and Vinatieri.

    1) ALL of the players mentioned could have stayed with the Patriots. They were offered VERY lucrative deals.

    2) Since you need to be reminded, the Pats were hit with a TON of injuries prior to the end of Training camp in 2003. Because of all the players on IR, the Pats were roughly 2 million OVER the cap. The only player who hadn't redone their contract and the Pats felt they had enough depth at the position was Milloy and his 5+ million cap hit. It was a business move.

    3) Vinatieri - liar said he wanted to come back but then refused to even give the Pats a chance to match an offer. Therefore, he doesn't know where the Pats would have been with their counter.

    4) Willie McGinest - The Pats offered to restructure his deal to keep him in a Pats uniform for the rest of his career. Rumor has it that WIllie KNEW he was going to be cut and his agent had already orchestrated a deal with the Browns.

    5) Branch and Givens - Branch felt he deserved to be treated better than Brady and Seymour. Givens wanted the chance to be a #1. Branch lied to everyone and said he'd play out his contract. The Pats drafted Jackson and signed Caldwel, figuring that Branch was a man of his word. You keep blaming the Pats for that, but its just frigging absurd that you blame the Pats because of your acknowledged ignorance of the situation.

    6) If this season proved ANYTHING, its that there needs to be some continuity at the receiver position. A wholesale changeover like what happened this year can't happen again after the 2008 season. If it does, then the Pats are in for a world of hurt.

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