Avenger
Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I also want to see what a healthy Vereen can do on KORs, though now that the LawFirm has depahted, he'll likely be used on offense too much to be spared.
This discussion has reached the point of bizarre.
I have not said a single negative word about Tate, and yet you are writing posts about how I "flippantly attack his capabilities' and how I have a 'visceral hatred'.
Why not just argue your case (hint: because you don't have one) instead of creating some strawman like this?
You said:
And I questioned how you can so readily give a football player credit for something he never did on the field.
From there it turned into
1) You making excuses for why 4 games should equal a season and 12 should be overlooked as if they didn't matter. (As well as ignoring all of last year when he was in the exact situation you are saying will miraculous lead to him thriving)
2) Throwing childish insults around
3) Creating an entire strawman argument to attribute to me that has no resemblence to what I posted.
Oh, and 4) you must have watched Shawshank Redemption and learned a new word.
See why I have no interest in carrying on a discussion with you?
Go ahead and wind up and toss some great insults at me. Keep up the lame attempts to call me stupid. Hey, maybe its time to call me gay?
I'm done. I won't be responding any more.
I would like to see the KR job rotated between Vereen, McCourty, Slater, Dennard, Woodhead in order of highest number of returns.
I would like to see the KR job rotated between Vereen, McCourty, Slater, Dennard, Woodhead in order of highest number of returns.
Good job, Andy
Knowing when to quit when you are wrong and way behind is the first step.
No sense digging a deeper hole.
patsfaninpittsburgh will just assume you had your feathers ruffled because the "600 yard" comment in pfip's post must have inferred you can't do big boy math.
This is what made you miss the uber-relavent "range" in the sentence.
If you are truly interested in football, pfip really recommends that you read and study mayo's origional comment on Tate and tie the stats back to it.
How exactly is he way behind again? He isn't arguing that Tate should be given credit for something he didn't do. Tate hasn't produced next to AJ Green, therefore, because Tate is going to play next to AJ Green, Tate will produce.
Logic.
Your 3rd person posting is also somewhat troubling.
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n.
1. Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with dopamine imbalances in the brain and may have an underlying genetic cause.
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This is really pretty simple.
Refer to mayo's origional comment.
The Bengals need receivers that can compliment AJ Green. Tate is competing for that role.
patsfans.com rings up a string of Tate sucks posts.
AGAIN, if you look at the first four games 2010, Tate contributed in a complimentary role with Moss still on the team and in a role the Patriots spent an entire offseason practicing.
11 receptions in 4 games is contributing for a down the chart option guy.
He struggled and was eventually cut because his role and the post Moss offense.
The post Moss Patriots offense is not what Cincinnati needs. They need a receiver that can fill a role similiar to what ACTUALLY happened when Tate played opposite Moss.
AGAIN, refer to mayo's origional point.
Job candidate contributed in "Situation A". He struggled in very different "Situation B".
You are the employer and need someone to employ to handle a job very similiar to "Situation A"......why do you care what happened in "Situation B"?
A guy does well in the resturant clearing tables, he sucks serving food.
You need someone to clear tables.......you worry about his history serving food?
Why didn't Tate play any WR in 2011? Can someone count the reasons?
Zero offseason......
Rookie QB........
Rookie #1 WR.......
Established WR already on the roster........
Return needs........
Player acquired post training camp cuts....
New trend with rookies and KISS..."keep it simple stupid"....
...and you don't understand why he didn't play WR?.....really?
The real question you need to ask is........"how can it be anything other than completely obvious why Tate wouldn't have played any WR and why it's so shocking with player experience AND a full offseason of work.....why anyone would be shocked that Tate can now start transitioning into playing WR"?
A 'veteran' receiver in Tate was buried in a depth chart of rookies and JAGs and this speaks for him how?
Good job, Andy
Knowing when to quit when you are wrong and way behind is the first step.
No sense digging a deeper hole.
patsfaninpittsburgh will just assume you had your feathers ruffled because the "600 yard" comment in pfip's post must have inferred you can't do big boy math.
This is what made you miss the uber-relavent "range" in the sentence.
If you are truly interested in football, pfip really recommends that you read and study mayo's origional comment on Tate and tie the stats back to it.
If Moss had been retained in 2010, Tate would have been in the 40-50 catch, 600 yard, 4-6 TD range.
That would be feasible working with AJ Green.
Add in return duties and that's productive.
Despite what the idiot cackle box wants to post, the reality is the did help win games with the Miami and Minnesota games coming to mind.
Actually from an outsider perspective you're the one who's wrong and far behind, not Andy. Real courageous on your part to continue throwing jabs after he said he's done with the discussion too.
The only reason your 600 yards comment would ruffle any feathers is because it's a complete fabrication. The extrapolated #'s puts him at 540 for an entire season, that is not 600 yards or close to it. And 0 TD's multiplied by 4 is 0, not 4-6 TD's, another # you pulled out of nowhere. For someone who preaches so much about mathematics, you have quite a few issues to work out with your calculations. So even going with the idea that 4 games is an accurate and legit sample, 540 yards and 0 TD's is still crap. It wouldn't have even made him the 3rd best option on that offense last year. You know, the year where he had ZERO catches...
A 100% increase of 0 is still 0I think Tate's production will be up 100% next year. I predict 1 catch.
Good job, Andy
Knowing when to quit when you are wrong and way behind is the first step.
No sense digging a deeper hole.
patsfaninpittsburgh will just assume you had your feathers ruffled because the "600 yard" comment in pfip's post must have inferred you can't do big boy math.
This is what made you miss the uber-relavent "range" in the sentence.
If you are truly interested in football, pfip really recommends that you read and study mayo's origional comment on Tate and tie the stats back to it.
Here is pfip's origional post.
Notice the bold word "range"......."range".......A benefit of a Massachusetts education is an understanding of English language words.
PATYLISCOUS...where are you?
Is this is a serious question?
If so, pfip first would warn you that fire is hot and pain hurts.
Does ol' pfip need to donn a Captain Obvious suit to re-re-explain?
Seriously, the Bengals pick up a player that was essentially a second year post traing camp...and with a rookie QB, rookie #1 receiver, ZERO offseason, WR's already on the roster and familiar with the system, you don't see why this player would be limited to return duties and then incorporated into the offense with the benefit of a full offseason?
Captain Obvious? patsfaninpittsburgh can put on Adam Seward briefs and couldn't explain or comprehend why this isn't so obvious.
I'd be curious to learn more about what you consider "big boy math". FWIW, I minored in statistics--not a big deal, I know, but it should at least qualify me to understand this big boy math that you speak of. At the very least, I do remember that pulling numbers out of your ass for no discernible reason as a hypothetical that "would have" happened was generally considered to be bad form.
A rookie with 0 off season beat out 3rd year player Tate in one of the simpler offensive schemes in the league.
Donald Lee
Andrew Hawkins
Colin Cochart
Ryan Whalen
AJ Green
Want to know one thing in common with those names? They are either rookies or just played their first season in Cincinnati's system with "ZERO offseason".
Want to know the second thing in common with them? They all produced more than Brandon Tate in their first year in Cincinnati, with no offseason program.
Is that the education that taught you that 0 is in the 4-6 "range"?