Tate a Starter?

[OhExaulted1]

Tate was lousy in New England. He was a complete non-factor for the Bengals as a receiver last year. He has 24 receptions in 3 seasons.

This is just coach speak on a team with only one 'name' receiver, trying to get guys going. If Tate becomes the team's WR2, that'll be a sign that the Bengals won't be repeating last season's success.

I didn't realize you were a coach. Thanks for that revelation.

 

[Deus Irae]

I didn't realize you were a coach. Thanks for that revelation.

 

[Ive_Killed_People]

I think Tate's production will be up 100% next year. I predict 1 catch.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Troll? Really? I've been on this site since 2000. GFY. Damn you Deus, you got me aggravated enough to throw a "like" at "Ive Killed People". Go out and volunteer to coach some kids and step away from the keyboard. PS-Ive Killed Peolple-find another name...seriously.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

How can you make up stats that a player never achieved and say 'he would have done that'?

patsfaninpittsburgh had benefit of a Massachusetts education.

Back in the day, mathematics was taught to patsfaninpittsburgh.

It's called looking at numbers through four games and realizing that in a sixteen game season,you like can multiple (prorate) by four.

Work through it with patsfaninpittsburgh.

Week One through Four in 2010 with Moss.

Tate receptions 4/1/2/4=11

Multiple 11 by 4 (16/4=4) and that "prorates" to 44.

It may look like Jedi mindtricks but it's called addition and multiplication.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Did he not share the field with AJ Green in 2011? Why wasn't he in the 40-50 catch range?

Ahhhhh...maybe because he was like cut by the Patriots and picked up by Cincy right before the start of the season so like there wasn't alot of time to like incorporate him into the offense.

Ya know Cincy had like a rookie QB, rookie WR, and some established receivers.

Now with a full offseason, Cincy can like use it to try to incorporate Tate into their offense.

Ya know, Cincy doing what NFL teams do in like the offseason.

Also, please refer to patsfaninpittsburgh's response to Andy Johnson's rather curious question to patsfaninpittsburgh's earlier comment.

Please also notice patsfaninpittsburgh's comprehensive and in-depth statistical and mathametical discertation on the Tate's performance with Randy Moss as a Patriot as a guide to infer why Cincy may be following this course of action.

 

[Ive_Killed_People]

Troll? Really? I've been on this site since 2000. GFY. Damn you Deus, you got me aggravated enough to throw a "like" at "Ive Killed People". Go out and volunteer to coach some kids and step away from the keyboard. PS-Ive Killed Peolple-find another name...seriously.

My name is part of a quote from Eastbound And Down:
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Stevie:You're so f***ing bad***, Kenny. Man, you're so ****ing--
You say, "You ****ing mess with me, I throw a brick in your face!"

Kenny Powers:Smashing a brick through a dude's window...
...is nothing compared to the things I've done, I've killed people.
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So relax I'm not actually a killer

 

[OhExaulted1]

My name is part of a quote from Eastbound And Down:
--------------------------------------
Stevie:You're so f***ing bad***, Kenny. Man, you're so ****ing--
You say, "You ****ing mess with me, I throw a brick in your face!"

Kenny Powers:Smashing a brick through a dude's window...
...is nothing compared to the things I've done, I've killed people.
--------------------------------------
So relax I'm not actually a killer

Nothing personal IKP. I've seen it. That's why I dropped a like.But if I need someone......Ahh nevermind.. You're all good! Smile MF!

 

[Ring 6]

patsfaninpittsburgh had benefit of a Massachusetts education.

Back in the day, mathematics was taught to patsfaninpittsburgh.

It's called looking at numbers through four games and realizing that in a sixteen game season,you like can multiple (prorate) by four.

Work through it with patsfaninpittsburgh.

Week One through Four in 2010 with Moss.

Tate receptions 4/1/2/4=11

Multiple 11 by 4 (16/4=4) and that "prorates" to 44.

It may look like Jedi mindtricks but it's called addition and multiplication.

It would appear that education failed you.
First you said 40-50 catch 600 yard 4-6 TD season.
Even using the small sample while ignore real life (more on that later) those 11 receptions added up to just 135 yards which wont get you to the 600 you want to give him credit for 'would have gotten', and what is 0 TDs x 4?

More to the point, he actually played the next 12 games. In those he caught only 13 passes, with a high of 3 and 4 games of ZERO plus 4 games of 1 catch.
Of course those 13 are also his total in his last 28 games.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

It would appear that education failed you.
First you said 40-50 catch 600 yard 4-6 TD season.
Even using the small sample while ignore real life (more on that later) those 11 receptions added up to just 135 yards which wont get you to the 600 you want to give him credit for 'would have gotten', and what is 0 TDs x 4?

More to the point, he actually played the next 12 games. In those he caught only 13 passes, with a high of 3 and 4 games of ZERO plus 4 games of 1 catch.
Of course those 13 are also his total in his last 28 games.

Andy

Is this your annual, "I'm going to be completely obtuse so I can get some attention from patsfaninpittsburgh because his schooling of me last year during the lockout was a great benefit to me"?

Your "more to the point" is a complete zero point.

135x4= 540 yards.
540 yards close to 600 yards
600 picked because of being round numbered. patsfaninpittsburgh don't want to confuse you with a "big number". It's easier to comprehend a round number.

Stay on point here, Andy.

Tate did catch TD passes in 2010........

Now...............

Work with patsfaninpittsburgh here.

Moss= big, tall "#1" receiver
Green= big, tall "#1" receiver
Week five through seventeen 2010= No Moss/Green type receiver on Patriots.

Moss timeframe= level of performance
Non Moss timeframe= another level of performance
Cincy timeframe that mimics "Moss timeframe"= predict the level of performance.

The reality is past history is the best guide for predicting future performance.

That may seem Mensa to you but some call it common sense.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I figured patsfaninpittsburgh was just on some heavy stuff the day I was arguing with him and he started randomly talking about acorns and referring to himself in the third person. But I see he's still doing it :/

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I figured patsfaninpittsburgh was just on some heavy stuff the day I was arguing with him and he started randomly talking about acorns and referring to himself in the third person. But I see he's still doing it :/

Don't flatter yourself.

You never "argued" or "debated" patsfaninpittsburgh.

You got a LONG way to go before that happens.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy

Is this your annual, "I'm going to be completely obtuse so I can get some attention from patsfaninpittsburgh because his schooling of me last year during the lockout was a great benefit to me"?

I don't remember any posts by you that were of any particular benefit to me. Sorry I don't remember a discussion that was so important to you that you are bringing it up a year later.

Your "more to the point" is a complete zero point.

Actually it is the point.

135x4= 540 yards.
540 yards close to 600 yards
600 picked because of being round numbered. patsfaninpittsburgh don't want to confuse you with a "big number". It's easier to comprehend a round number.

You took a 4 game sample and pretended it was sufficeint to judge the player while ignore the 12 that followed because of some manufactured excuse, and you use that to be a condescending prick?

Stay on point here, Andy.

Tate did catch TD passes in 2010........

Can't have it both ways. You can't project his season based on only 4 games and ignore 12, then use what he did in the 12 whenit suits you.

Now...............

Work with patsfaninpittsburgh here.

Moss= big, tall "#1" receiver
Green= big, tall "#1" receiver
Week five through seventeen 2010= No Moss/Green type receiver on Patriots.

That is completely irrelevant.

Moss timeframe= level of performance
Non Moss timeframe= another level of performance
Cincy timeframe that mimics "Moss timeframe"= predict the level of performance.

Again totally irrelevant.
You are creating a cause which doesn't really exist just to support a horrendous weak argument.
Green was there last year, totally invalidating your argument.
Now its 20 games with a 'big, tall, #1 receiver" and 11 catches.

The reality is past history is the best guide for predicting future performance.

Exactly why your argument is foolish/

That may seem Mensa to you but some call it common sense.

Are you capable of having a conversation without being a condescending, ignorant, insulitng jerk?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Don't flatter yourself.

You never "argued" or "debated" patsfaninpittsburgh.

You got a LONG way to go before that happens.

Yeah of course I do, your prowess speaks for itself. Hopefully one day I'll be able to tell my grandchildren that I argued with patsfaninpittsburgh from New England Patriots Fans featuring News, Stats, Analysis, Messageboards & Forums, Patriots Blogs, And Salary Cap Information for Fans. - PatsFans.com

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I don't remember any posts by you that were of any particular benefit to me. Sorry I don't remember a discussion that was so important to you that you are bringing it up a year later.


Actually it is the point.


You took a 4 game sample and pretended it was sufficeint to judge the player while ignore the 12 that followed because of some manufactured excuse, and you use that to be a condescending prick?


Can't have it both ways. You can't project his season based on only 4 games and ignore 12, then use what he did in the 12 whenit suits you.



That is completely irrelevant.


Again totally irrelevant.
You are creating a cause which doesn't really exist just to support a horrendous weak argument.
Green was there last year, totally invalidating your argument.
Now its 20 games with a 'big, tall, #1 receiver" and 11 catches.


Exactly why your argument is foolish/


Are you capable of having a conversation without being a condescending, ignorant, insulitng jerk?

Ahhh no Andy

patsfaninpittsburgh CAN AND DOES look at the first four games on 2010 because those four games will more closely mimic the situation in Cincy than the final twelve games of 2010.

History doesn't always repeat but it most often rhymes......

Outside of a desire to channel your inner Douche Awry, please explain what could realistically drive you to think the final 12 games of 2010 Patriot offense translates to the current situation in Cincy?

AJ Green....tall dude.....fast.....Randy Moss....tall dude...fast.....complimentary receiver..................................

2010 offseason conducted.......2010 offense changed overnight......gee patsfaninpittsburgh wonders how an essentially rookie receiver would react?

In the future, you might want to consider a realistic appraisal of the entire situation. You will find that utilizing this strategy would provide greater insight and lessen the need for flippant attacks on player capabilities.

 

[Ring 6]

Ahhh no Andy

patsfaninpittsburgh CAN AND DOES look at the first four games on 2010 because those four games will more closely mimic the situation in Cincy than the final twelve games of 2010.

History doesn't always repeat but it most often rhymes......

Outside of a desire to channel your inner Douche Awry, please explain what could realistically drive you to think the final 12 games of 2010 Patriot offense translates to the current situation in Cincy?

AJ Green....tall dude.....fast.....Randy Moss....tall dude...fast.....complimentary receiver..................................

2010 offseason conducted.......2010 offense changed overnight......gee patsfaninpittsburgh wonders how an essentially rookie receiver would react?

In the future, you might want to consider a realistic appraisal of the entire situation. You will find that utilizing this strategy would provide greater insight and lessen the need for flippant attacks on player capabilities.

Yes, you are right, I should have singled out 4 games and pretended they are the only ones that matter because I could invent an excuse.
That is much more realistic than looking at the players work on the actual football field and not giving him credit for 'woulda' accomplishing something he never did.
Of course, if I use your approach I do end up with 11 catches in 20 games, so I'm not sure what you really are arguing.

Please quote into your reply my FLIPPANT ATTACK ON THE PLAYERS CAPABILITIES. I can't wait to see what you come up with there. Well, I can because you will just ignore the question.

Probably best for us to just not discuss football, or anything, because your condescending attitude makes you seem like a real jerk and I won't stay civil long. Then I'll regret taking the thread there.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Yes, you are right, I should have singled out 4 games and pretended they are the only ones that matter because I could invent an excuse.
That is much more realistic than looking at the players work on the actual football field and not giving him credit for 'woulda' accomplishing something he never did.
Of course, if I use your approach I do end up with 11 catches in 20 games, so I'm not sure what you really are arguing.

Please quote into your reply my FLIPPANT ATTACK ON THE PLAYERS CAPABILITIES. I can't wait to see what you come up with there. Well, I can because you will just ignore the question.

Probably best for us to just not discuss football, or anything, because your condescending attitude makes you seem like a real jerk and I won't stay civil long. Then I'll regret taking the thread there.

Why are you being so obtuse about this? Did Brandon Tate kick your puppy?

This is so simple.

The Bengals need a WR to compliment AJ Green.

In the first four games of 2010, Tate was productive complimenting Moss. Canton bound? No but he helped win some games.

What do you think a complimentary receiver should do?

Based on the offseason, Tate is being given the chance to assume a role he showed he can be productive in opposite Moss.

The Patriots offense in later 2010 and 2011 is not the Bengals offense. All ya have to do is acks Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

However, projection can be made from similiar circumstances not completely different circumstances. Something you seem so hell bent on doing.

Will Tate succeed? Even patsfaninpittsburgh doesn't know. patsfaninpittsburgh has never claimed to be Edgar Cayce......it only seems that way. What patsfaninpittsburgh can grasp is if a player contributed under a set of circumstances; it's reasonable to assume he can contribute under a similiar set of circumstances.

Past performance is the best predictive indicator for future results.

You seem to have a rather visceral hatred toward this player that seems to drive you from realizing that the player contributed in a similiar situation.

 

[strngplyr]

I can't help but think patsfaninpittsburgh has some sort of head trauma.

 

[Ring 6]

Why are you being so obtuse about this? Did Brandon Tate kick your puppy?

This is so simple.

The Bengals need a WR to compliment AJ Green.

In the first four games of 2010, Tate was productive complimenting Moss. Canton bound? No but he helped win some games.

What do you think a complimentary receiver should do?

Based on the offseason, Tate is being given the chance to assume a role he showed he can be productive in opposite Moss.

The Patriots offense in later 2010 and 2011 is not the Bengals offense. All ya have to do is acks Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

However, projection can be made from similiar circumstances not completely different circumstances. Something you seem so hell bent on doing.

Will Tate succeed? Even patsfaninpittsburgh doesn't know. patsfaninpittsburgh has never claimed to be Edgar Cayce......it only seems that way. What patsfaninpittsburgh can grasp is if a player contributed under a set of circumstances; it's reasonable to assume he can contribute under a similiar set of circumstances.

Past performance is the best predictive indicator for future results.

You seem to have a rather visceral hatred toward this player that seems to drive you from realizing that the player contributed in a similiar situation.

This discussion has reached the point of bizarre.
I have not said a single negative word about Tate, and yet you are writing posts about how I "flippantly attack his capabilities' and how I have a 'visceral hatred'.
Why not just argue your case (hint: because you don't have one) instead of creating some strawman like this?
You said:

If Moss had been retained in 2010, Tate would have been in the 40-50 catch, 600 yard, 4-6 TD range.

And I questioned how you can so readily give a football player credit for something he never did on the field.

From there it turned into
1) You making excuses for why 4 games should equal a season and 12 should be overlooked as if they didn't matter. (As well as ignoring all of last year when he was in the exact situation you are saying will miraculous lead to him thriving)
2) Throwing childish insults around
3) Creating an entire strawman argument to attribute to me that has no resemblence to what I posted.
Oh, and 4) you must have watched Shawshank Redemption and learned a new word.
See why I have no interest in carrying on a discussion with you?

Go ahead and wind up and toss some great insults at me. Keep up the lame attempts to call me stupid. Hey, maybe its time to call me gay?
I'm done. I won't be responding any more.

 

[captain stone]

I think you may be shortchanging Edelman's abilities just a bit, just my personal opinion though.

In 2010 he had one of the higher punt return averages in NEP history, and was up there in NFL average too. In the two years he has taken one back to the house in each season, and should've had two more if not being called for a lousy penalty which may or may not have affected the actual return. (I clearly remember one NOT affecting the blocking as he had already blown by his man). Nevertheless, 2 TD's in 2 years (ratio of 1 every 28 returns) is pretty good for anyone.

He would've been used more on KR last year too, had it not been for his need on defense.

In my eyes, Woodhead was the one who hardly ever did much at all.

Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Vereen used in that role a lot too, but Edelman shouldn't have to be relied upon as much as last yr for actual reps, so he should be earning his paycheck in that fashion too, although he may be used solely for PR only.

I also want to see what a healthy Vereen can do on KORs, though now that the LawFirm has depahted, he'll likely be used on offense too much to be spared.