T. Brown: "BJGE a future star in the NFL"

[sbpatfan]

All I can say is I hope we don't waste a 1st / 2nd on a running back next year when it seems like a FA or UDFA is adequate enough.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Didn't Tedy just say that the Pats defense was "soft" and they would lose to Cincy on Sunday? Wasn't Collinsworth on Boston radio talking about how bad the Brady contract situation was going to be for the team?

You do realize the worst front office executive of all time (Matt Millan) was a borderline Hall of Fame linebacker?

We have many great posters here who take Pats football seriously and many in the "pro Maroney" camp make valid points. Besides when you look at Williams and Jones-Drew, they never played with an all world QB and could excel as the feature in their offense.

Different circumstances different places.

Ridiculous to say that because bruschi picked cincy over NE it makes his statements about maroney any less valid?

Anyone can predict a game....only few play with a certain player and know what a failure he was,if brown and bruschi call lomo a failure as a RB for the NE patriots I tend to believe them more than a common Joe writing on an internet forum who only knows the team from what he reads in the little newspaper stat sheet and watches on his little TV

There is nothing more than opinions in this forum as well as in any place across the Internet

Want to impress me with your total dominating knowledge of this team and it's players from the inside scoop?then get drafted and put on an NFL uniform and be in the same team with the player in question and maybe then anything said is more real,in here it's all what is seen and read,nothing more

It's like someone on the street telling you what type of person your wife is when you have lived with her for 3 years and know better

 

[ivanvamp]

BJGE is a north-south runner if there ever was one, which is a little unusual for a smallish back. He's tough as nails and doesn't fumble. That said, BB's gambling a bit that law firm plus 3 older backs can get us thru this season. Also, I think it's safe to say that one of those top 4 picks next year will be a RB.

Maroney? I always liked him and saw plenty of examples of him powering it between the tackles. But he just couldn't do it consistently enough. We didn't even get a chance to see him this year really, he obviously lost the job during the August 2-a-days. He must have been on thin ice from the off season reviews that BB does, and then didn't come to camp ready to fight for his job.

I think BB must feel that if it comes to it, he can always go out and find a somewhat useful RB from the scrap heap. With Fred Taylor's injury history and the age of these RB, I cannot imagine he's banking on getting through the entire season with just these four guys. He has to have a backup plan ready.

 

[Synovia]

Troy Brown is a legend but he really needs to shut up now. I always loved the guy but he is really bad at his new job.

Strongly agree.

He makes a whole lot of claims that just aren't factual. He's too inlove with the "story", and hes a terrible analyst.

 

[Synovia]

Ridiculous to say that because bruschi picked cincy over NE it makes his statements about maroney any less valid?

No, the point is that being a good football player and being a good analyst are two totally unrelated things.

Deion SAnders was one of the best cornerbacks of all time. He doesn't know **** as an analyst.

 

[sieglo]

Deion SAnders was one of the best cornerbacks of all time. He doesn't know **** as an analyst.

And he is probably one of the better analysts out there.

I'd like to see some real data on Maroney -- what are his percentages for picking up first downs on 3rd and short? How does his fumbling really compare to the average over the last few seasons? Is he really prone to losing big yardage?

I know we all like to think these things, but I'm not sure the real numbers bear them out.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

No, the point is that being a good football player and being a good analyst are two totally unrelated things.

Deion SAnders was one of the best cornerbacks of all time. He doesn't know **** as an analyst.

What part of the fact that bruschi spent a good deal of time playing on the same team and knows more about maroney being a failure in NE did you fail to understand?

If you think you or some of pat fans members know more about maroney than Troy brown or bruschi does then you are an idiot

Neither player said maroney was worth keeping on the roster,but some in here think they know better when in fact that's pure stupidity

 

[ctpatsfan77]

But if he can get 3.5+ YPC and avoid the big losses that LoMo would get every game, then setting up 2nd and 6 will leave the defense guessing and allow great options for run / pass. It just seemed with LoMO there were too many 1st down losses leaving 2nd and long - allowing the defense to get ready for the pass and pinning its ears back - ready to crush Brady to the turf.

Football Outsiders has a stat called "success rate" which shows how often a back picks up the yardage needed to help the team get a first down (basically, it's 40% of the yards-to-go on 1st down, 60% on 2nd down, and 100% on 3rd or 4th down).

In 2009 Maroney was successful 52% of the time, and that was good for 11th in the league among the ~50 rushers with 100+ carries.

 

[D-cleater]

It's like someone on the street telling you what type of person your wife is when you have lived with her for 3 years and know better

Don't tempt fate my friend....

 

[Synovia]

I'd like to see some real data on Maroney -- what are his percentages for picking up first downs on 3rd and short? How does his fumbling really compare to the average over the last few seasons? Is he really prone to losing big yardage?

I know we all like to think these things, but I'm not sure the real numbers bear them out.

These have been posted 65,000 times on this forum. Do a search.

 

[Synovia]

What part of the fact that bruschi spent a good deal of time playing on the same team and knows more about maroney being a failure in NE did you fail to understand?

What part of Bruschi has been on the team the last 2 years?

 

[Patspsycho]

OK, Maroney clearly lost the confidence of his coaches and teammates in behind-the-scenes ways that aren't visible to fans. Fair enough. So let's cash in on some trade value for a guy who was only going to be a part-time player for a single season and move on.

But BJGE a "future star"? The running back position doesn't work that way. Of all of the positions on the field, it's the one with the quickest learning curve -- the one where rookies can step on the field and make an immediate impact. Consider that Arian Foster, a fellow UDFA, has played in only 7 games in the NFL and has gained more yards than LawFirm.

He's just a hard-working, versatile role player. Useful to have, but next year's new RBs will leap ahead of him on the depth chart.

Well it's very easy to get more yards than the Law Firm when you have 33 attempts to his 5, from the last game.

Texans don't have a RB by committee like we do.

How about we give BJGE a chance to get into a rhythm before we pass judgement on him?

 

[Synovia]

How about we give BJGE a chance to get into a rhythm before we pass judgement on him?

We've seen 3 years of the guy now. So have the coaches. If he was a stud, he'd have been starting already.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

What part of Bruschi has been on the team the last 2 years?

The same part that drove Tedy to conclude the defense is soft and Cincy would win.

Interesting in the response tirade, he didn't discuss Matt Millen and the former player equals superior evaluator concept. One would think that would sum up the concept perfectly.

 

[Patspsycho]

We've seen 3 years of the guy now. So have the coaches. If he was a stud, he'd have been starting already.

Out of those 3 years how many games has he started, and how many sizable reps has he gotten?

 

[Synovia]

The same part that drove Tedy to conclude the defense is soft and Cincy would win.

Interesting in the response tirade, he didn't discuss Matt Millen and the former player equals superior evaluator concept. One would think that would sum up the concept perfectly.

It seems to me, in most sports, the best talent evaluators seem to either have no pro experience as players, or were very fringe players (in the NFL, Polian, BB, Smith, Reese, etc.)

Position coaches seem to be the same way. The best players tend to just have so much physical talent, and things come so naturally to them that they can't translate into things others can understand.


The only real good GM I can think of who was a good player is Ozzie Newsome.

 

[Synovia]

Out of those 3 years how many games has he started, and how many sizable reps has he gotten?

Could you explain to me how getting a carry on the first play of the game matters?

 

[captain stone]

I agree. But then we have a backfield of JAGS and third down specialist types; so as long as BGJE plays his role like the others, then no worries.

We won two superbowls with Antwain in the backfield.

Antowain >+>+> BJGE

Antowain >>> Morris

Antowain > LaMa

If Taylor can stay healthy, then he's >> Antowain

As for Bingo's quote, I'm afraid that the Firm is merely a past, present & future JAG in the NFL: poor vision, instincts, burst & wiggle will do that.

We must have at least 3 new RBs (+ Faulk) next year, incl. an ass-kicking FB who can also replace the otherwise useless Tracy White on STs.

 

[shmessy]

Well I guess we know what position will be targeted with one of the top 4 (1st & 2nd round) draft picks in 2011 draft.

Given BB's confounding draft history, I'd say the Pats 1st first round pick will be a tight end or safety.

 

[shmessy]

My problem with BJGE is that he is a 3 yards and cloud of dust guy. He isn't going to break many tackles, he isn't going to outrun the defense to the edge, he isn't going to break any huge runs and he isn't going to make anybody miss.

However, he will take the ball and hit the hole hard and bang around to get 3-4 yards.

What we gave up with the Maroney trade is a home run threat at the RB position, a guy who can make somebody miss, a guy who can break tackles and a guy that can beat the defense to the edge. The one thing that Maroney lacks, which BJGE has is consistency in picking up those north-south yards.

Maroney had all the tools.

He just couldn't open the toolbox.