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    Comcast Sportstonight: Troy Brown when asked why Maroney was traded answered that:

    "Maroney has done absolutely nothing for the football team over the last two seasons. Now you have depth, but Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris are well over 30 years old. What you have is Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has I think been playing well, look at the game the other day where he spelled Fred Taylor a few times. It was time to make this move to be fair to Laurence, because he wouldn't be active this weekend, and obviously wasn't going to get a lot of playing time this year."

    "Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has looked better than Laurence Maroney the last two years, he didn't play a lot last year because of the running back situation, but overall he has looked better than Laurence the last couple years, and thats why the job is his, he ran well during the preseason, he ran well Sunday against Cinncinnati, and he continues to get better."

    "I have listened to Fred Taylor talk about him, and I think he is a future star in the NFL. He is a good running back, he gets in between the tackles and he gets the 4 or 5 tough yards that Laurence hasn't been doing the past couple years".

    Tanguay respoded that "Ben Jarvis Green Ellis simply beat out Maroney, simple as that".
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    BJGE averaged over 4.0 YPC against what was a pretty good Bengals run defense from last season. If he can keep that up, he'll be a solid addition.

    However, I'm not sure what Brown's talking about when he says, "Ben Jarvis Green Ellis has looked better than Laurence Maroney the last two years, he didn't play a lot last year because of the running back situation, but overall he has looked better than Laurence the last couple years, and thats why the job is his, he ran well during the preseason, he ran well Sunday against Cinncinnati, and he continues to get better". That's just flat out wrong and sounds like Brown is sour that his prediction of Maroney getting cut before the season didn't pan out.
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    Regardless of the reasons, Maroney is gone. I like the law firm. I really. However, I am not overly comfortable with the thought of him ending up as our primary back if Taylor and Morris go down.

    Having said that, though, I'll still defer to Coach in his assessment of these things, because after all, he's the coach and I'm just a fan. In Bill We Trust. :cool:
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    In Bill We Trust.
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    Good general rule, and nothing sufficiently glaring about this case to count as an exception.

    Frankly, I find it hard to believe that BJGE could be regarded as the superior ball-carrier to Maroney based on past body of work, but if his style fits better AND he blocks better from the RB position (does he?) AND he can be used a bit as FB (he can, right?) AND he produces on STs -- why not?

    I still recall a play for which I at the time incorrectly blamed Maroney's blocker (Dave Thomas IIRC). It was a KR that lasted about 70 yards, but which Maroney failed to take to the house because he tripped over his last blocker and also, as he said later, got tired on the play.

    WTF? I think Maroney just didn't understand the game of football very well.
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    I think it's inevitable that we're going to lose several man-games from Taylor and/or Morris due to injury. Hope BJGE comes through, or hope BB has something up his cut-off hoodie sleeve.
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    Troy hears what goes on in that lockeroom and it hasn't sounded too good. Most of the guys like the law firm and how he carries himself. Those same guys like Maroney but think he's very immature.
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    If the Law-Firm runs like a power back and learns from Fred Taylor, he'll succeed under BB in this system.

    I really hope our running game turns into some good old fashioned smash mouth, a bit like the Saints showed against the Vikings in the second half of game 1. We'll need it to be a championship team.
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    Yeah... Brown's flat-out wrong on this one. I'll bet him a million bucks :p

    I'm hoping that BJGE can develop into a solid, dependable, workmanlike RB. That's plenty; he doesn't need to become a star.
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    Thats an excellent post. As I fast fowarded later into the same Comcast tonight episode, Gresh asked Albert Breer, " Is it easy to say that BJGE just beat out Laurence Mauroney for carries?" Breer answered that in his opinion BJGE was fairly limited but that he played the physical style the Patriots wanted, along with Morris and Fred Taylor, that Maroney could not.
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    I know what you mean. There is obvioulsy something else there when it comes to the way teamates feel about Laurence. Whatever that may be, it even seemingly effected the way they blocked for him. Could be the way he carried himself, could be an influential position coach didn't like him, could be off the field stuff, could be they never wanted to admit he wasn't a good fit for the system, whatever... I don't think it's something we should waste any more time speculating about. It is what it is.
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    Then what was the point of keeping him this long? Remember, he was drafted to be a complement to Corey Dillon, and he was at best when he was able to run in the open field.
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    According to Breer ( not me ), this season, the Patriots wanted to get back to a physical running style, and although Maroney has some big play ability, the Patriots felt that he could not run hard between the tackles. Breer added that with Maroney making only $835,000 and with the injury history of Morris and Taylor, the Patriots obviously felt very strongly about this.
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    Source? Did he actually say that himself?
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    I know over 30 isnt a good thing with backs but we have 3 of them and BJGE that should be enough depth.

    In your scenario you still have Faulk and BJGE and you would add something via FA or PS. Not ideal but who would be that well off if they lost 2 backs?

    To me the important one is Faulk and everything else should be suffice.
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    Troy Brown is a legend but he really needs to shut up now. I always loved the guy but he is really bad at his new job.
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    I kind of feel the opposite. I've had enough of Felger, Borges, Gasper, etc. I think its nice to have a long time Patriot and past Pro Bowler, with current ties and connections to the players ( Fred Taylor in this case ) and Patriots Management.
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    Generally future stars make memorable plays.. The only thing I remember about BJGE from the last few years is dropped passes in the end zone and failing to convert third / fourth and shorts. While he has been looking better he has yet to do anything remotely worthy of being called a future star.
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    That reminds me of how many passes Faulk dropped in his first few years.
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    I'm hoping BJGE is a future average RB in the NFL.
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    He missed a couple on Sunday, too, surprisingly. That one 3rd down grab on the sideline was a beauty, though.
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    It is what it is................

    Let the BJGE era begin.
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    I was hoping that Maroney would follow Faulk as our third down back. Basically, following a similar career path.
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    Same here.

    But Faulk always seemed to have a toughness about him even when it didn't show up in results (e.g. fumbling, or habitually getting stopped short of a first down). There was one play in his first Super Bowl that was just as impressive as the couple Redmond (who was ahead of him on the depth chart for pretty much the same role at that time) made. After that, it was no big shock when he succeeded.
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    What really grips my trigger about the maroney disaster is some of the know-it-all homer clowns in here who sit on a message board and think they know a damn thing more than former players like Troy and bruschi who not only put their jocks on in the same room as lomo but also were on the field and practice sessions for over 3 years together - when they say that maroney was a bust and underachiever over these wasteful 4 years I would more believe they were more knowledgable than some moron who comes up with the 4.2 BS excuses as if that means lomo was a real good back

    Let's face it ,Addai,Williams and of course MJD were better and are still with their original team - BB just picked the wrong guy here

    Get over yourselves,bruschi and Troy have all but said maroney was a bust and still people on a message board on the Internet think they know more :rolleyes:

    Who would I consider a person with a better opinion of a player?- a message board professor who never put an nfl uniform on before? or a person who had played the game with the player in question...got news for you,it's not even close
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    a LOT of teams passed on MJD....
    the colts draft another 1st rd back, even WITH addai, shows how much they think of him...
    williams ill give u
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    Good post.
    I just want to add that time and time again BB has said he will stick with deveoping players as long as they keep getting better (as no one can actually know their ceiling - until they hit it). LoMo never really seemed to develop in other areas of the game. Blitz pickup: not very good, Pass catching out of the backfield: no real development (was hoping he would replace Faulk when he gets his AARP membership), KR - too injury prone, lead RB (fumbleitis just when he started looking less timid last year).

    LoMo just never seemed to put it all together. And as obviously they weren't going to resign him - then I guess a 4th rounder is better than him stewing on the bench being 45 game day inactive for the year. Only reason to keep him would be injury insurance. I think Troy is alittle overly optimistic with his projection of BJGE as a future star. But if he can get 3.5+ YPC and avoid the big losses that LoMo would get every game, then setting up 2nd and 6 will leave the defense guessing and allow great options for run / pass. It just seemed with LoMO there were too many 1st down losses leaving 2nd and long - allowing the defense to get ready for the pass and pinning its ears back - ready to crush Brady to the turf.

    Well I guess we know what position will be targeted with one of the top 4 (1st & 2nd round) draft picks in 2011 draft.
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    BJGE is a north-south runner if there ever was one, which is a little unusual for a smallish back. He's tough as nails and doesn't fumble. That said, BB's gambling a bit that law firm plus 3 older backs can get us thru this season. Also, I think it's safe to say that one of those top 4 picks next year will be a RB.

    Maroney? I always liked him and saw plenty of examples of him powering it between the tackles. But he just couldn't do it consistently enough. We didn't even get a chance to see him this year really, he obviously lost the job during the August 2-a-days. He must have been on thin ice from the off season reviews that BB does, and then didn't come to camp ready to fight for his job.
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    I like Maroney more than most, but I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, and apparently Maroney does do what it takes to be great (according to this morning's papers). BB likes guys that eat, drink, and sleep football. For people like me that couldn't understand why LOMO was in BB's dog house, make no mistake, he was in there for some very specific reasons.

    So, while I pulled for Maroney more than many, I completely get why they did this. Many wanted, or at least predicted he'd be cut. Instead, we got a 4th round pick for him. Overall, it makes sense. He wasn't going to play. He is in the last year of his contract. They got something for him. Now with the open roster spot, Mr. Mankins should be signed shortly. :)
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    All due respect, I don't even think he's "smallish". I see him listed at anywhere from 215 to 220. Heck, Maroney was 220. That said, you make alot of good points.
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