Report: Pats sign DT Tommy Kelly

[BelichickFan]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 2m
More #Raiders source on Kelly: Moves really well for a big man. Can still rush the passer, just needs to be disciplined within the system.

 

[Claremonster]

This is a VERY GOOD sign! This makes my day! I've been wanting this since he was released from the Raidah's. :rocker:

 

[Brady2Moss]

In 2011, he had 7.5 sacks (a career high), 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 1 INT, 5 pass defenses, and 41 tackles. That is an Pro Bowl/All Pro caliber performance. You don't actually have to be voted as a Pro Bowl or All Pro to have a Pro Bowl or All Pro caliber performance.

I will just agree to disagree then. My point is that guys don't usually severely decline in productivity at age 32 because of mailing it in or not liking the playoff status of their team. I didn't even say its a horrible signing just said its meh doesn't mean it wasn't worth a shot. Just not going to say MAN WERE GONNA HAVE A MONSTER INTERIOR LINE because of fluff reasons like his head will be on straight here.

 

[Kontradiction]

He was a stud in 2011 (I just listed his stats). He had a down year in 2012. No one knows if he has hit the age wall, had a down year, didn't fit into the Raiders' scheme, or something else.

Kelly arguably had two of his best seasons in the last three years and people act like he has sucked for years.

There's only one person in this thread so far that's been acting like he's been a bum ever since he's been in the league. On the polar opposite side of the coin, people are now overplaying his 2011 performance while underselling his 2012 performance.

As for his play last season, I don't think it had anything to do with scheme. I just think that his best days are definitely behind him. Doesn't make it a bad signing, but pimping his 2011 performance doesn't somehow make a great one. As I said, I still hope that the team has plans to upgrade the DT position. Right now, I'm setting my expectations at a Gerard Warren level. Others seem to be setting it at a Vince Wilfork level and one guys seems to be seeing it at an Albert Haynesworth level.

 

[shmessy]

I haven't talked about Welker or the Patriots cheapness for a while just because that thread is always on your mind doesn't mean Im any more right or wrong then you Lord Shmessy. Hilarious how your response to me is to bring up stuff that I never said in this thread.

Ooh nice snark there I'm the most clueless person on the board because I don't agree with you. Maybe you should realize everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I didn't agree with Kontradiction either and noted that, however he gave a reasoned post - - not your "Kelly is a bum" graffitti. So you are clueless about "agreeing" with an opinion.

There are reasoned opinions on all sides of an issue. And then there is graffitti. Kontra wrote a reasoned post. You write graffitti.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Don't waste your time. Brady2Moss never heard of the guy.

And he is only happy when he can spread negativity. Fellowship of Les Miserables.

I'm betting that Kelly had Raiders fatigue last year (see Moss, Randy in 2006). Worst organization in football.

 

[Brady2Moss]

There's only one person in this thread so far that's been acting like he's been a bum ever since he's been in the league. On the polar opposite side of the coin, people are now overplaying his 2011 performance while underselling his 2012 performance.

As for his play last season, I don't think it had anything to do with scheme. I just think that his best days are definitely behind him. Doesn't make it a bad signing, but pimping his 2011 performance doesn't somehow make a great one. As I said, I still hope that the team has plans to upgrade the DT position. Right now, I'm setting my expectations at a Gerard Warren level. Others seem to be setting it at a Vince Wilfork level and one guys seems to be seeing it at an Albert Haynesworth level.

Nice hyperbole. Clearly I said he's been a bum his whole career I said he's a bum at this point, maybe he'll string together one good year I'm sure as hell not counting on it like some.

 

[Claremonster]

Eh. I don't like siding with Brady2Moss, but his play last season, to me at least, was indicative of a guy on the decline more than it was about a guy mailing it in. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a bum. He's definitely not bum status right now. Instead, I'll just say, "Welcome to the team, Mr. Kelly. Mr. Belichick, hopefully you still have plans to upgrade the DT position".

Dillon and Moss say hi. Err, so does that former $100 million dollar washed up dt guy too from the Titans.

 

[Jack Handy]

what $$$ did he sign for?

 

[Rob0729]

I will just agree to disagree then. My point is that guys don't usually severely decline in productivity at age 32 because of mailing it in or not liking the playoff status of their team. I didn't even say its a horrible signing just said its meh doesn't mean it wasn't worth a shot. Just not going to say MAN WERE GONNA HAVE A MONSTER INTERIOR LINE because of fluff reasons like his head will be on straight here.

So which is it? Is he a bum who is mailing it in or a guy who hit the age wall. You seem to be all over the place.

Players can have an one year decline for any number of reasons. There was a regime changed before this season. He might not have fit Dennis Allen's system.

The Kelly signing has a potential of a Rodney Harrison (another guy in his early 30s who was written off because of one bad season), Ted Washington, Roman Phifer (another older guy written off as done) type of signing. He might turn into nothing.

I think if the Pats can use him right, he might turn into a stud pass rushing specialist.

I don't get after one bad season people are automatically writing him off as either a bum or done.

 

[JackBauer]

Well, it's certainly worth the gamble. The guy has been a pretty prolific pass rusher at DT, which is/was a huge weakness on the team.

Wilfork/Kelly/Love/Deaderick/Armstead is a nice interior rotation on paper.

 

[Ozymandias]

He was a stud in 2011 (I just listed his stats). He had a down year in 2012. No one knows if he has hit the age wall, had a down year, didn't fit into the Raiders' scheme, or something else.

Kelly arguably had two of his best seasons in the last three years and people act like he has sucked for years.

I'm more concerned with where Kelly is at today than where he was 2 years ago. And once the contract details are public knowledge we'll also know how the Patriots feel about his chances at a roster spot as well. His past season was lackluster at best. Being on the west coast and seeing plentiful Raider games in my region I can definitively say nothing in his tape was impressive last season. His decline years could potentially have set in 2012.

Regardless its quite simple for Kelly: If he plays like he did in 2011 he's got a shot at making the team and having an impact on the defense. If he plays as lethargic and underwhelming as he did in 2012 he will not make the roster.

All I'm saying is that fans temper their expectations for this signing. He's likely not a lock for anything behind having a chance to compete for a roster spot.

 

[Brady2Moss]

I didn't agree with Kontradiction either and noted that, however he gave a reasoned post - - not your "Kelly is a bum" graffitti. So you are clueless about "agreeing" with an opinion.

There are reasoned opinions on all sides of an issue. And then there is graffitti. Kontra wrote a reasoned post. You write graffitti.

As much graffiti as is to say we're going to have some beast d line because of this guy.

 

[Kontradiction]

Nice hyperbole. Clearly I said he's been a bum his whole career I said he's a bum at this point, maybe he'll string together one good year I'm sure as hell not counting on it like some.

Hmmm. You should probably read that again. Clearly you didn't SAY that you believe he's been a bum his entire career, but you're acting like it. Go back and read your posts with a shred of objectivity and maybe you'll see it for yourself.

And of course you're not counting on it. I'm not surprised. The team could develop of time machine, sign Reggie White in his prime, and you'd still crap all over it.

 

[shmessy]

Dillon and Moss say hi. Err, so does that former $100 million dollar washed up dt guy too from the Titans.

Agreed. Dillon and Moss were great pickups. They each had a couple of good years with the Patriots.

Regarding Haynesworth,for every Haynesworth (who cost the team virtually ZIPPO) or Shaun Ellis' there have been plenty of Roman Pfifers, Andre Carters, Mark Andersons, Bryan Cox's, etc.

It's worth a shot.

 

[patfanken]

I haven't talked about Welker or the Patriots cheapness for a while just because that thread is always on your mind doesn't mean Im any more right or wrong then you Lord Shmessy. Hilarious how your response to me is to bring up stuff that I never said in this thread.

Ooh nice snark there I'm the most clueless person on the board because I don't agree with you. Maybe you should realize everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No, what you are being is a **** for your relentless negativity on every move the Pats make.

Its one thing to question this signing, its another to bash it in post after post, while making poor unrelated analogies, and completely ignoring other people's legitimate opinions. So don't give us that crap about not being allowed to have an opposing opinion. Its perfectly fine to think that Tommy Kelly wasn't the best signing. Just back it up with more than the offal you are currently using for reasons

BTW- for the record, I would have much rather filled the DT void by taking a chance on the Martin kid, but that didn't happen. As for Kelly, he's only a season away from his best season as an interior pass rusher, so I guess there is a chance he still has something left in the tank. If he does, then it will be a nice pick up as an additional interior pass rusher. If not, he likely won't make it out of TC. Simple as that. Why does every signing have to epic to be worthy

I never understand why people automatically assume that any player we sign HAS to play an impact. role. Sometimes a signing is just another signing getting us to 80 Hope for the best and be prepared for the worst. But as of right now, the Pats will seem to have more talent and depth competing for those DL positions this year. More competition means better results. when the final team is rolled out.

 

[Brady2Moss]

So which is it? Is he a bum who is mailing it in or a guy who hit the age wall. You seem to be all over the place.

Players can have an one year decline for any number of reasons. There was a regime changed before this season. He might not have fit Dennis Allen's system.

The Kelly signing has a potential of a Rodney Harrison (another guy in his early 30s who was written off because of one bad season), Ted Washington, Roman Phifer (another older guy written off as done) type of signing. He might turn into nothing.

I think if the Pats can use him right, he might turn into a stud pass rushing specialist.

I don't get after one bad season people are automatically writing him off as either a bum or done.

I never talked about mailing it in others did and I said that's a lame reason to bank on some huge comeback. He's a bum in terms of ability at this point in his career. I'm not all over the place you are ascribing things to me that I did not say. I'm not banking on a great season he's going to be filler.

He could very easily be Haynesworth and Ellis 2.0

 

[shmessy]

As much graffiti as is to say we're going to have some beast d line because of this guy.

I don't agree with that either.

However, the guy who wrote that hasn't been a one note piano the past 3 weeks, repeating his mantra over and over again.

 

[Rob0729]

There's only one person in this thread so far that's been acting like he's been a bum ever since he's been in the league. On the polar opposite side of the coin, people are now overplaying his 2011 performance while underselling his 2012 performance.

As for his play last season, I don't think it had anything to do with scheme. I just think that his best days are definitely behind him. Doesn't make it a bad signing, but pimping his 2011 performance doesn't somehow make a great one. As I said, I still hope that the team has plans to upgrade the DT position. Right now, I'm setting my expectations at a Gerard Warren level. Others seem to be setting it at a Vince Wilfork level and one guys seems to be seeing it at an Albert Haynesworth level.

I never undersold his 2012 performance. I am saying he is one year removed from a Pro Bowl caliber performance and that isn't overhyping a 7.5 sack performance from a DT. Kelly had his two best seasons in 2010 and 2011.

His last season's perfomance could be what we are getting or it could have been a bad year with a new regime that didn't use him right. My point is to write him off as a bum or done based on one bad season is silly.

We have seen a lot of older players come in here after people have written them off and performed at a very high level and others who were clearly done. I will never write off a player after one bad year, but it something to keep an eye on.

 

[JackBauer]

And of course you're not counting on it. I'm not surprised. The team could develop of time machine, sign Reggie White in his prime, and you'd still crap all over it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has picked up on this.