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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I just read that on another site. If that's legit, then the Sox just stole Santana. They traded a a couple of dimes, and a nickel, and got back a buck. Great move for the Sox if that's the deal. I'd have to think that Ellsbury would have to be in place of Crisp if I'm the Twins. None of those prospects blow me away.
There's little to suggest there's a problem. His K rate has maintained, K/BB is slightly off but not much, his H% is incredibly consistent. His xERA is up a little but still good. And he's not had any seasons of significant overwork. He looks very safe to me.I know I heard on Denise and Kelly-Ann this morning a Twins sportswriter, who while acknowledging Santana's incredible record of consistency, did admit there were some danger signs shown last year, including less use of the slider, perhaps indicating some elbow pain, and a tendency to give up more home runs at strategic times - though again, his ERA was still good last year.
Ditto. I would rather throw in another player with the Lester package then deal Ellsbury. If Ellsbury leaves, for some reason I'm seeing him in a Yankee uniform down the road, and that would kill me.
Add me to the don't include Ellsbury in the deal point of view.
Yankees fans have a narrow view of their prospects. Already comparing Joba to Papelbon? :singing: Your ultimatum may have worked on weak minded A-Rod, but it won't work this time.
Still nothing to report - in fact there's some indication that the Sox are backing off of Santana.
All this is good in my opinion... there was too much hype taking place and with more players coming into consideration now its going to devalue Santana in terms of players and possibly salary.
I know I heard on Denise and Kelly-Ann this morning a Twins sportswriter, who while acknowledging Santana's incredible record of consistency, did admit there were some danger signs shown last year, including less use of the slider, perhaps indicating some elbow pain, and a tendency to give up more home runs at strategic times - though again, his ERA was still good last year.
He's still a proven commodity but with that type of report - which Theo is sure to recognize - the question becomes how much salary to commit to such a player.
the Twins meanwhile threaten to hold him up to next year's trading deadline - which as I mentioned before is a big risk on their part though does have some pros as well as cons - But overall I think they'd be better off dropping their demands, and hoping that Santana isn't going to be too greedy for salary to get a job done.
I don't think they overplayed their hand - based on what they were said to be getting from the Red Sox anyway - I think they were offered a crappy package. A guy like Santana should get no less than Lester and Ellsbury IMO.I think the Twins overplayed their hand here.
December 4, 2007, the day the Sox-Santana possible trade talk hype cannot be any stronger, and who picks that day to changes agents? Ellsbury, a key figure in the talks, decides to switch to Scott Boras (see A-Rod) as his agent. Ellsbury could not have picked a better day, nor selected a better agent, to immunize himself from being dealt from Boston.
as long as the stinkees dont get him im happy .Well now the talks have gone cold, and either we are in a cold period, or they are just deciding to possibly keep Santana.
The Red Sox were being used as pawns IMO. I truly do not think Santana wants to come here. I think he wants to go to the Yankees or some team where he clearly is the ace of the team. I also think the Twins were using the Red Sox to up the ante.
The winner so far is Hank Steinbrenner, whose gutsy deadline forced the Sox to show the same mediocre hand the Yankees had.
The Red Sox were being used as pawns IMO. I truly do not think Santana wants to come here. I think he wants to go to the Yankees or some team where he clearly is the ace of the team. I also think the Twins were using the Red Sox to up the ante.
Well, and vice versa. The Sox were involving themselves to up the price for the Yankees. Both teams have an interest in seeing that he doesn't go to the other, or if he does, costs them an exhorbent price.
I don't understand the view that the Sox were just trying to drive up the price for the Yankees. We heard the same thing last year with Daisuke and it was just as wrong then.
Clement just came off the books. Schilling will probably be coming off the books next year. Wake is cheap. Beckett is a bargain for the next few years. Buchholz or lester will be cheap for the next 5-6 years (assuming one is traded for Santana while the other is retained). They have other cheap starters in the pipeline, and the luxury tax threshhold is moving up pretty quickly. They can afford him at 20-25M a year.
He's the best pitcher in baseball and a lefty (which the Sox could really use against NY). He'd be a great addition.
Unfortunately I don't see any way this deal is getting done now. The time for a Bos-Min deal has passed, and if they now go back either Boston needs to bend over and add more or a rookie GM needs to be willing to look weak. I don't expect either to happen.
It's unfortunate that Lowrie hasn't played a game in the majors yet. He would probably jump in and start for Minnesota this year, provide a heck of a lot more value than Melky "I pretty much suck" Cabrera, and they'd get all 6 of his pre-arb years. But because he hasn't broken into the majors yet and isn't a toolsy uber-prospect he's horribly undervalued by the press which will kill a rookie GM who picks him up in a deal for Santana.
Minnesota has overplayed their hand. They don't realize that Santana's value is really hampered by the need for a huge extension and the fact that Santana will hit the open market next year.
I'd rather see Boston pay him something silly like 30M a year (which would presumably outbid NY) next year. Let's assume he'd cost 23M a year in an extension anyway. For an extra 7M a year over 5-6 years (35-42M) you just bought Lester, Lowrie, Coco, and Masterson. That's more than worth it if you ask me.
Obviously that wasn't the case with Dice-K... the Sox wanted him and legitimately wanted to outbid the Yankees.
I don't think when it comes to money and salary the Sox are overly concerned about how much profit the Yankees do and don't make.
When it comes to legitimate player prospects, that's another matter. The Sox very much want to make sure that if the Yankees trade for a player they have to give up as many prospects as possible. There's really no debate about that - it's just smart baseball.