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  1. NG Pats Fan

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    I know a lot of pat's fan were very disappointed we drafted the less talented gator ahead of Dunlap in the 2nd round of the 2010 NFL Draft. 3 years later into their NFL careers, whom would you rather have?
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    Neither is anything special, but Dunlap has had the better career so far.
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    No even close, Dunlap with 24 sacks and our guy with 3.5 sacks!
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    Cunningham was the better fit for the defense they had at the time, Dunlap would be a better fit now, but he's still not a great player. I could write a paper on why his 9.5 sack season as a rookie was a fluke.
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    I wouldn't take either of them.
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    Belichick is too busy sometimes trying to find guys that fit the system instead of taking the more talented player...clay matthews being another example.
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    And you'd rather have him make really good players do the things they're really bad at? Belichick can't completely overhaul his defensive scheme for each new rookie he drafts.
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    Belichick chose the wrong Gator. Of course, if we're playing "what if", here, you can look at several LBs that he missed on. The next LBs to go, beyond Cunningham, were

    Dunlap
    Lee
    Spikes
    Angerer
    Butler
    Bowman

    Looking back now, any of those would probably have been a better choice than Cunningham.
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    At the time the Pats used a 3-4 defense.

    Cunningham was considered to be a better athlete and a better fit to play 3-4 OLB, and could also play 4-3 DE. Dunlap was strictly a 4-3 guy with character issues, and not as good of an athlete.
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    Dunlap isn't a Linebacker, he's purely a Defensive End. That's the reason we didn't draft him.
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    He's on the list because he's in the OP. I assumed that would be understood and didn't bother differentiating. My mistake. :(
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    For what we needed at the time (a pass rusher) I thought Dunlap was a better choice then, and I think he's a better choice now.
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    Regardless, the logic stays the same. Also, the other LBs on your list aren't the same type of LB that we were looking to draft that year. The rest are all ILBs. Make an apples to apples comparison at least please.

    Cunningham showed flashes in this rookie year, was injured his sophomore, and showed flashes last year getting serious pressure inside. He enabled a lot of other people to make plays. I wouldn't be surprised if his role expands more this year.
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    My logic is fine. You're attempting to shrink the pool of alternates. In an era where the Patriots are looking for cover LBs and looking to play speed linebackers on TEs, I don't buy that. Furthermore, at the time they picked Cunningham, ILB was a need, which is why Spikes was drafted later in the same draft.

    Cunningham's been a bust/disappointment to this point, and I'm certainly not counting on him making the team.
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    Sean Lee who was drafted right after both of them.

    Personally, I wouldn't consider either Cunningham or Dunlap great second round picks. Considering the draft the Pats had in 2010, I will give them a free pass on missing on Cunningham.
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    Dunlap hands down. Cunningham is PED enhanced JAG
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    I would if the guy was named clay matthews. And who said anything about an overhaul? If you find someone with talent, make SOME changes to fit the player
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    Do we know what substance Cunningham was taking that resulted in his suspension?
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    yes Dunlap is better but they are both back up, that was one of the deepest Drafts in NFL history both the pats and cincy could have Drafted a better player if we want to look at it that way
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    Clay Matthews or Gronk?

    That's what your choice is:

    Patriots get:
    2009 second round pick, 41, pick DB Darius Butler
    2009 third round pick, 73, pick DB Derek Cox
    2009 third round pick, 83, pick WR Brandon Tate
    Patriots trade Cox to Jaguars.

    2009 seventh round pick, 232, pick WR Julian Edelman
    2010 second round, 44, traded that pick to the Raiders for 42 to pick TE Rob Gronkowski
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    Belichick's defense at the time was built around each player having the ability to take on blockers. Matthews is an OLB that has had most of his success going around blockers. You can't just say "this OLB no longer has to take on blockers" without making big changes throughout the whole defense.
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    Im sure BB could have found a way to draft both. All he had to do was convince Al Davis for pick 42 in 2010....
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    Cunningham was probably a better fit for the defense that we ran at the time, but Dunlap has clearly turned out to be the better player. Although not all that great in his own right, even.
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    I don't get the point in these kind of threads. I mean, why didn't bb know he was going to switch to a 4-3 and draft a RDE instead of a 3-4 olb twener.
    It is like some fans want to wear a hair shirt.
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    Brace 3-4 LDE
    Cunningham 3-4 ROLB
    Patrick Chung. Zone/Big Hitter/Enforcer
    Brandon Meriweather Zone/Big Hitter/Enforcer

    Those 3 players all fall into a category of players I'm hesitant to call busts because they never actually got the opportunity to play the positions they were drafted for. We moved to a 4-3 in 2010 and I don't know that Brace or Cunningham would of been drafted had that been planned at the time. We also moved away from the zone coverage which made it more about coverage and less about trolling around making impact hits which was Merriweather and Chung's draft purpose.

    Can you blame the players for not being to adapt? Yes

    Can you blame the coaches for not putting these players in the ideal positions to succeed? Yes

    McCourty and Deaderick fortunately were able to adjust but they both had difficulties as well.
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    Not to change topics, but...
    Brace drafted to play 3-4DE???? Seriously??

    You've got an incurable case of revisionist history.
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