Re-stocking an old Super Bowl team with two #1s and two #2s

[Deus Irae]

Bethel, PK Sam, Chad Jackson, Tate, Ocho, Gabriel, Caldwell, Stallworth, Galloway, Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, Bam Childress, Gaffney, Washington

just to name a few, the TE list is standalone.

Caldwell worked out fine for a year. Gaffney was an excellent signing. Stallworth was alright, though not particularly good, until his contract got too expensive, and Washington was a special teams signing (and a good one).

Also, you've got to be trying to yank some chains with Childress, because he doesn't belong anywhere near the list.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I don't mind all the trading down. The problem is with what BB does with those second and third round picks when he gets them. He seems to whiff on half of them which negates the value of trading down in the first place. Think about Shane Vereen instead of Torrey Smith. Ooops. Or Cunningham instead of Carlos Dunlap. Or Taylor Price or Ron Brace or Darius Butler....

 

[patsfan13]

AS I said, we need2 WR's, a speedster, and a physical one. Move Hernandez around as a TE/3rd WR, or in 2TE formation. If they sign Lloyd, then draft Michael Floyd, 6'3 225 from ND.

Then you have Lloyd, Floyd, Welker, AH, Gronk and a matchup nightmare. Draft or brin another FA TE to have the rotation

We're only going to use 2 WR's for me that would be Lloyd/WW, with the 2 TE, getting another TE is important for depth, we lost Smith and Yeatman from the PS last year I expect BB will use another draft pick or sign a FA TE.

I am fine drafting a WR, IF he can learn the system, perhaps C Weis coached the kid and can fill BB in on the kid's Football IQ?

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Caldwell worked out fine for a year. Gaffney was an excellent signing. Stallworth was alright, though not particularly good, until his contract got too expensive, and Washington was a special teams signing (and a good one).

Also, you've got to be trying to yank some chains with Childress, because he doesn't belong anywhere near the list.

either via Draft, UDFA, FA, the record is abysmal, and BB and his FO and coaching has failed to develop any decent WR since Branch/Givens . Ok Remove Childress if you want, replace him with Price, makes it even look worse with another 3rd Round WR bust.

Fact are clear, and if you want to make them as yanking chains so be it. The only time anything worked for WR was in a trade for Welker. The Moss trade was basically turned into a 1.5 year rental.

Stallworth did nothing here as a 1 yr rental, caught 46 balls. Caldwell was also 1 year rental with his 61 catch career year totalling a whopping 760 yards

 

[VOODOOZF]

I wouldn't get too excited about these picks. There is no way the Patriots keep all of them. With this Superbowl appearance Belichick can defend his draft theory.

 

[bucky]

Old???

These are the ages of the defensive starters in the Superbowl:
DL: 24, 25, 28, 30
LB: 24, 25, 28
DB: 24, 25, 25, 28

Average age: 26

We have 2 great 22 year old TEs and 4 RBs no older than 27.

We are somewhat old on the OL (Light and Waters), but we've recently restocked there with Solder and Cannon.

The only position that's really a problem is WR. And if you consider that Ocho and Edelman are the only 2 WRs under contract as of now, I'd say that age isn't the problem at WR, but rather getting players.

 

[patsfan13]

either via Draft, UDFA, FA, the record is abysmal, and BB and his FO and coaching has failed to develop any decent WR since Branch/Givens . Ok Remove Childress if you want, replace him with Price, makes it even look worse with another 3rd Round WR bust.

Fact are clear, and if you want to make them as yanking chains so be it. The only time anything worked for WR was in a trade for Welker. The Moss trade was basically turned into a 1.5 year rental.

Stallworth did nothing here as a 1 yr rental, caught 46 balls. Caldwell was also 1 year rental with his 61 catch career year totalling a whopping 760 yards

Gaffney was a guy who picked up the system. The hard part of finding WR's for this team is that a lot of WR's are unable to pick up the system, you need a high football IQ, and that is tough to determine since few teams use this sort of system that demands the WR read the D along with the QB abd makes the right call, that is why a less talented WR like Givens was more valuable than a guy who was all pro like Ocho......

That is why guys like Royal and LLoyd are of interest, although I see Royal as more of a possesion rec like WW and Lloyd having more ability to go vertical (when is the last time we have a WR go over 75 catches at > 18yds).

 

[bucky]

either via Draft, UDFA, FA, the record is abysmal, and BB and his FO and coaching has failed to develop any decent WR since Branch/Givens . Ok Remove Childress if you want, replace him with Price, makes it even look worse with another 3rd Round WR bust.

Fact are clear, and if you want to make them as yanking chains so be it. The only time anything worked for WR was in a trade for Welker. The Moss trade was basically turned into a 1.5 year rental.

Stallworth did nothing here as a 1 yr rental, caught 46 balls. Caldwell was also 1 year rental with his 61 catch career year totalling a whopping 760 yards

So based on your criteria, the only way to consider a player acquisition a success is if that player turns into a perennial Pro-Bowler. Everything else is a failure. Right?

 

[eom]

the only thing I'd complain about on his trading down is all the complaining I have to read about his trading down.

the cool thing about it is we end up with everybody else's picks, which are mostly higher than ours.

 

[Rob0729]

either via Draft, UDFA, FA, the record is abysmal, and BB and his FO and coaching has failed to develop any decent WR since Branch/Givens . Ok Remove Childress if you want, replace him with Price, makes it even look worse with another 3rd Round WR bust.

Fact are clear, and if you want to make them as yanking chains so be it. The only time anything worked for WR was in a trade for Welker. The Moss trade was basically turned into a 1.5 year rental.

Stallworth did nothing here as a 1 yr rental, caught 46 balls. Caldwell was also 1 year rental with his 61 catch career year totalling a whopping 760 yards

The problem is the system. What helps make the offense so good is what makes it so hard to get good WRs to develop in it. The Pats have one of the most complicated offenses in the league with all their presnap reads and route adjustments. A large majority of WRs can't pick it up.

I know people scoffed at Ochocinco for struggling to pick it up, but the track record is there.

BTW, Moss gave the Pats three productive seasons. We all remember his record breaking year, but in 2008 with Cassel throwing to him he had 1,008 yards and 11 TDs. In 2009, he had 1,264 yards and 13 TDs. That is far more than a 1.5 rental.

Seriously, are you really a fan or a troll from another team pretending to be a Pats' fan. For a Pats fan you don't know a lot about this team.

 

[Deus Irae]

either via Draft, UDFA, FA, the record is abysmal, and BB and his FO and coaching has failed to develop any decent WR since Branch/Givens. Ok Remove Childress if you want, replace him with Price, makes it even look worse with another 3rd Round WR bust.

Fact are clear, and if you want to make them as yanking chains so be it. The only time anything worked for WR was in a trade for Welker. The Moss trade was basically turned into a 1.5 year rental.

Stallworth did nothing here as a 1 yr rental, caught 46 balls. Caldwell was also 1 year rental with his 61 catch career year totalling a whopping 760 yards

You keep posting this type of nonsense. It's still not making your claim true. Repeating falsehoods again and again isn't going to make your erroneous claims magically become correct. It's one thing, and correct, to note that the effort to solidify the WR position has had problems, some of them major. It's another thing to spout over-the-top horse**** about it time and again.

 

[Gronkandez]

Caldwell worked out fine for a year. Gaffney was an excellent signing. Stallworth was alright, though not particularly good, until his contract got too expensive, and Washington was a special teams signing (and a good one).

Also, you've got to be trying to yank some chains with Childress, because he doesn't belong anywhere near the list.

Except for when he cost them the season with that drop vs the Colts. Then he looked like this

 

[Rob0729]

Except for when he cost them the season with that drop vs the Colts. Then he looked like this

Just like with the Welker drop this year, that game was not lost on one play. That game was lost by a lot of miscues on offense and the defense's inability to find an answer to stop Dallas Clark.

 

[eom]

 

[Snapper]

BTW, Moss gave the Pats three productive seasons. We all remember his record breaking year, but in 2008 with Cassel throwing to him he had 1,008 yards and 11 TDs. In 2009, he had 1,264 yards and 13 TDs. That is far more than a 1.5 rental.

259 receptions, 3904 yards, and 50 TDs in 52 games (regular season stats only), all for a fourth round pick, and then still recouping a 3rd round pick (with which they took Mallett).

I'll take that "1.5 year rental" anytime.

 

[TomPatriot]

I think this is a little deceiving.

Kevin Faulk (35)
Chad Ochocinco (34)
Dan Koppen (32)
Brian Waters (34)
Shaun Ellis (34)
Gerard Warren (33)

All of those guys, except maybe Waters and Koppen, are likely gone. None of the guys who are leaving are starters. This is a bit different from the Steelers, who have key cogs aging at key positions.

After this post the thread should be closed. You are spot on.

 

[juny]

WIll there ever be a year where Bill uses all of his picks or trades up? At some point he needs to cash in on his addtional picks, otherwise the team doens't benefit from the extra picks if he keeps pushing things forward a year.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

You keep posting this type of nonsense. It's still not making your claim true. Repeating falsehoods again and again isn't going to make your erroneous claims magically become correct. It's one thing, and correct, to note that the effort to solidify the WR position has had problems, some of them major. It's another thing to spout over-the-top horse**** about it time and again.

Burn baby burn. Since you have no answer to the facts, then its horse****, right dip**** ? Name a WR BB has developed in the last 8 years via draft? Case closed

 

[eom]

WIll there ever be a year where Bill uses all of his picks or trades up? At some point he needs to cash in on his addtional picks, otherwise the team doens't benefit from the extra picks if he keeps pushing things forward a year.

1st Round – Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
2nd Round – Ras-I Dowling, DB, Virginia
2nd Round – Shane Vereen, RB, Cal
3rd Round – Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU
3rd Round – Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
5th Round – Marcus Cannon, OL, TCU
5th Round – Lee Smith, TE, Marshall
6th Round – Markell Carter, OLB, Central Arkansas
7th Round – Malcolm Williams, CB, Marshall

1st Round (27th Overall) – Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
2nd Round (42nd Overall) – Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona
2nd Round (53rd Overall) – Jermaine Cunningham, OLB, Florida
2nd Round (62nd Overall) – Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida
3rd Round (90th Overall) – Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
4th Round (113th Overall) – Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida
5th Round (150th Overall) – Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
6th Round (205th Overall) – Ted Larsen, C, NC State
7th Round (208th Overall) – Thomas Welch, OT, Vanderbilt
7th Round (247th Overall) – Brandon Deaderick, DL, Alabama
7th Round (248th Overall) – Kade Weston, DL, Georgia
7th Round (250th OVerall) – Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State

 

[Keyser Söze]

and they will be cut in a couple seasons while undrafted FA start in their place.