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    Further proof of how much of a joke Profootball Focus truly is. Their bias against Brady because they feel he is just a system QB is laughable.

    I still do not get the cult like following of this site. Personally, I feel this is satire site that mocks legitimate sites that try to analyze the NFL like footballoutsider.com.
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    This site is well-documented as garbage. Feel free to look up the site's founder and a main contributor. He has worked and still works in the IT field in the UK. Obviously, therefore, he's qualified to dismiss the first unanimous MVP in league history aside.

    http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/neil-hornsby/4/42/9a0

    If you subscribe to PFF, you just paid $99 a year for this clown to make money on the side. Congrats.
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    Also, Justin Smith ranked second overall in the NFL is almost as much of a joke as Brady at 33.
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    I think that Khaled Elsayed, the author of that piece of brilliance, should probably stick to analyzing a sport about which he is more familiar.

    If you take offense to my comment based on ethnic or regional stereotyping, well, I apologize for offending your sensibilities; in daily life, I'm as politically correct as anyone, but there are limits.

    Edited to appease those who are "politically correcter" than I am.
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    I'm all for discrediting these guys, but let's do it with the obvious facts that show they are hacks - not tired ethnic stereotypes, please. It's not necessary.
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    Yada yada yada...i acknowledged it and apologized, so thanks for the rub in.
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    That's fine, I saw that you did that, but again, it's just not necessary - there's plenty of ways to take shots at these guys, I don't see why his name is one of them. It just discredits our argument against them.

    I'd rather focus on the fact that these are just a collection of guys with no experience in the game of football attempting to take on the finer points of the game without the proper tools (coaches tape). At one point they even traded subscriptions for user-graded analysis. I think, at least, they've moved past that point, but it just goes to show you what you're paying for.
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    My first question is why a site like this isn't even based in the US...
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    Where is it based?
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    ah, a double rub in for an already apologized for and edited comment...must be a slow day...
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    Hey, honestly, neither of my posts were intended to be a "rub in" at all, merely constructive criticism - and frankly I thought I was plenty civil in both my responses, yet you seem to want to deride me and my take on your post. I'm sorry if you took offense to me taking offense - it's time to move on, we agree on PFF, end of story.
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    Let's not turn this into the Intolerance of Tolerance.

    Having a web site and posting some information doesn't make people right...lord knows there's little of that anyway and many things are opinion pieces.
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    I just find that site laughable...the system how they measure QB's is ******* idiotic. Brady operates a flawless short-passing attack and get's a 0 rating for slicing up defenses methodically without mistakes. Manning throws into triple coverage, happens to get a completion for it and he gets bonus points.

    Those same idiotic bonus points throws are why Manning had as many interceptions in 1 game as Brady had the whole year.

    That site is ******* horrible. Good decision making and playing a flawless game is far more important to winning than making stupid highlight throws.
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    1.) PFF sucks

    2.) Political correctness sucks more than PFF



    That about covers this thread.
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    See the issue isn't Brady's stats. It is PFF's inability to understand just because a QB eats apart defenses with a short passing game, it doesn't make him a system QB or not as a good as a guy who is less effective but hucks the ball down the field a lot.
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    We need to bring Randy Moss back and start airing it out to win the hearts of those guys at PFF. Obviously what we did last year wasn't working.
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    Randy is going to the Jets.

    we need to trade our 2 first rounders next year for Larry Fitzgerald,Roddy White or Calvin Johnson. That's the only way the Patriots can hope to score points and garner the respect of user sites.
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    It wouldn't matter, they'd give their "points" to Moss for getting open.

    Keep in mind they are trying to make individual grades on players in a team game without having ANY idea what the individual assignments were for a given player.

    You could have a chimp throw darts at a board scored from -2 to 2 and the end result would be no more or less accurate than PFF's grading.
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    It was started by the guy I linked above, Neil Hornsby, who works for some IT company TCQR in the UK.

    For those that doubt that that is in fact the Neil Hornsby who now grades NFL games for money - thinking, logically - that someone whose past experience includes IT & the restaurant world ought not be forcing poor shmucks to pay to have him watch NFL football - note that his company owns the domain for profootballfocus. So, that's definitely him. Believe it or not. I didn't believe it myself till I googled.
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    Interestingly enough Manning received bonus points for throwing into triple coverage to Collie. Collie got negative points for getting knocked the **** out and not holding on to the ball.
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    Of course, Manning must have made an amazing pass to thread the needle between three defenders while someone was wide open on the other side of the field.

    Tom Brady turns and finds that other guy, but he shouldn't get points for that. That guy got open on his own.

    Good logic by PFF.
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    Ah..but that's merely good decision making and reading a defense. It's not like that is something that 90% of the QBs fail at.
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    IIRC, the guys at PFW in Progress had this guy on the show wh.en he had Brady listed as his 6th choice as an MVP candidate toward the end of last season. In the nicest way, they debunked all his rationalizations.

    BOTTOM LINE: for some reason he just doesn't value Brady and he owns his own web site, so he can write what he wants. The point is that just because its on the internet doesn't make it legitimate. The internet is a wonderful method of getting information and discussing opinions. BUT the downside is that you have to be much more careful in sorting out what is real and what is not.
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    if a UK writer wants to rank the QB of the SB winner #1 im ok with that but that fact that Justin Smith is #2 says all you need to know about how BS this site is at ranking players, it was a good site when it was free just for looking up stats but notting more
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    Really? I want to hear the opinion of every single media outlet and every single commentator. We are all smart enough to decide for ourselves what we choose to believe and what we choose to dismiss. Why do certain posters try and pre-filter all information for the message board, by always telling us what information we should listen to and what information we should not listen to?

    How about adding some media links or sources of your own? Contribute. The Mel Kiper sucks, Dan Shaughnessy sucks, Mike Felger sucks, Ron Borges sucks, Troy Brown should keep his mouth shut, Pro Football Weekly sucks, ESPN sucks, Todd Mcshay sucks, Pro Football Focus sucks, etc, etc, posts get sooooooooooo tired.

    Everyone gets things wrong. BB drafted Chad Jackson, Terrance Wheatley, and Bethel Johnson all in the second round. Does pointing out all the times BB was wrong somehow discredit the overall body of work? Of course not, it only makes the guys doing the discrediting seem small minded and controlling.
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    I actually had to wiki Justin Smith to remind me who he was! I knew the name, but couldn't think who he was!

    And as a #2 best player of 2010! I doubt he is even in the top100 in reality!
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    That'll take a while. Because by your own logic you have to read every single blog and every single post on this forum. PFF is no more qualified than stuff from the fans - by their own admission even.

    Good. Then we are smart enough to dismiss PFF upon reading it. I did decide for myself.

    Who pre-filtered anything? I read their garbage just to see what drivel they are spouting.

    I'm sorry you feel the need to "pre-filter" these posts... but we are contributing, we are posting on a message board. We are amateurs. We don't get paid for this analysis. PFF does, despite having no more - and probably less - credentials.

    The bottom line is that the internet is a dangerous place. It's blurred the line from those qualified to talk about something as an expert, with analysis worth money, and those who are not. I'm sorry if you can't see which side PFF falls on that line.
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    This isn't the first time I have read crap about PFF!
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    If you could provide us with a list of "those qualified to talk about something as an expert....and those who are not", it would be greatly appreciated by us fools who are not smart enough to decide for ourselves.

    Further, your messageboard will be an even better place when the rest of us learn to cite only the opinions of those outlets that you view as appropriate.
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