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Possible guys to bring in to fill the WR void?!?!

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  1. vafides

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    Rumor has it David Boston is getting a look from the Dolphins again. Would the Patriots be interested in bringing him in?
    Jerry Porter won't be let go for a first round pick by Al Davis and I think if we got into a starring contest with Al Davis he won't budge, just the kind of prick he is.

    What about Charles Rogers?
    Or even Jimmy Smith? It worked for Seau, what are the odds he comes out of retirement to win a ring?
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    I think I'd rather just stick with the guys we already have...
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    There is no void. The only issue is the new guys (Jackson, Gabriel, Childress) learning the offense - well bringing in someone new won't help that.

    Anyway, if Dante Stallworth can go to Philly and 1-2 weeks later catch 6-141 then I don't want to hear any crap about how our guys can't learn the offense. Learn the damn offense and go and make plays. If the offense needs to be dumbed down for a few weeks so they only have to learn a piece of it, so be it. If Philly and Stallworth can do it, so can we. Damnit.
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    Is Quincy Morgan still FA?
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    I think we'll see Faulk at WR quite a bit more. It'd explain why Smith was brought back and Bam was let go.

    If the team feels that Faulk is a better WR than Bam, then Faulk's snaps per game may shift from ST to WR (along with his usual HB snaps), so then his ST snaps would need to be replaced: J Smith.
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    David Boston blows...

    ...the Patriots are 1-0 with a reasonable schedule ahead...

    I just don't get the constant drone of 'sign this guy! trade for that guy! spend to the cap!'.

    Pretty content in watching the season unfold as is...
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    I agree with you that once Jackson and Gabriel hit the field, much of the clamoring will cease. Not all of it, because odds are that neither guy will live up to Deion Branch, but it will certainly be better. Plus, things would look better just by the OL stepping up.

    However, did you see the Hou/Philly game? You do realize that almost half of Stalworth's yards came on a play where there wasn't anyone within 20 yards of him? The difference between NE's WRs and Philly's was better pass pro and worse DB coverage, nothing more, nothing less. Well, I guess you could add in better QB play, but it still wasn't all on the WRs.

    Aaaaarrrrggggghhhhhh! Please make all these Charles Rogers posts stop! :bricks:
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    I agree, lets just get Jackson and Gabriel on the field, Boston and Porter are head cases, and most of the other options out there are just bandaids.
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    I can see this happening, but only due to motioning. Faulk vs. a LB is a major mismatch, but he doesn't have much of an edge at all on a CB.
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    Boston has been unproductive for a couple years now. Adam Schefter in last night's NFL Total Access reported the Pats had no interest in Porter when they were negotiating for Gabriel - I cheered. Charles Rogers doesn't seem to be anyone BB wants for the team. Jimmy smith retired amidst rumors he was facing a suspension for failing the substance abuse policy.

    We truly don't know what the current crop of WRs looks like, Caldwell caught a couple balls, Brown caught a couple, Gabriel may be ready for some game time against the Jets, Jackson remains a mystery. As long as Bam is re-signed today and acquired by another club, he will be readily available to return to the roster if there is a need. Let's allow things to take their course along the Belichick time-line, I have some faith that he is aware of the situation and will sort it out at some point.
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    no worries.

    gabriel and jackson, along with caldwell and brown will do just fine.

    if anything they may find a david patten type move down the road,
    but I'm sure these guys will be fine.
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    He's about the only option I like. Kind of wasted away in Cleveland, then I thought he did well for Steelers when he played, not sure why he was cut.

    Anyway, I read he was working out with Minny (I think?) or another team and was close to signing. I'd love him in Pats uni as a WR5/6.
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    Faulk was lined up at WR from the getgo on his great TD catch and still a LB shifted over to cover him. I think the matchups follow the player for the most part. Faulk would never start at WR, but in a three or four WR set, he'd still most likely get his favorable LB matchup, IMO.
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    We are getting Jackson and Gabriel back (I THINK?!), so hopefully there won't really be a void. If you still call that a void, then there's no way any of the FAs out there is going to fill it.
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    I thought that he started out lined up near the slot and motioned out wide. I thought that he was covered by a LB because the coverage had been set and the LB just stayed with him as he motioned.

    Can anyone confirm whether I am right or wrong? I would hate to by shown up by this Brown guy twice in one week. :cool:
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    Stop It!!!

    Give the guys we have a chance. These guys on the street are there for a reason.

    If we get desparate bring back Stanley Morgan and Irving Fryar.

    Jeezzz!!!
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    I didn't but that still leaves 5-70, or thereabouts. If Stallworth can be solidly productive, our guys should be able to be also especially with all the attention the defense will have to give to the RB/TE.
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    You may be right, I was pretty drunk by that point in the game.

    :eat1:

    EDIT: But either way, if he was in the slot he's lined up as a WR still drawing a LB in coverage. That'd be enough to get him away from those pesky CBs.
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    Whither Tyrone Calico? He showed some promise his rookie year then got hurt and just fell off the face of the earth after that. he must be a wreck if no one is giving him a sniff...
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    I hear you. It has been constant as long as I have been reading these boards. People like to talk about that kind of stuff. Free agent finds and trades. Those two things are very popular topics. I have grown tired of it, but still read the threads. I think its like looking at car wrecks as I drive by them. Hard to resist.
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    The Pat's are probably very thorough in monitoring all the players potentially available. However because the short passing game is based so much on timing with Brady, it's getting late to bring in a WR not already familiar with the Pat's system.

    One I've wondered about is David Patten (Redskins) who hasn't caught a pass since November in a regular season game - including their first game this season.
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    What friggin void do we have at WR? Has anyone seen Gabe or Chad play in any regular season game for the Patriots?

    Threads like this are as bad as reading/listening to Felger, Borges, Tomase, and those two morons on NEST.

    And I'm getting sick of it. Sick, Sick Sick!:(
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    Wasn't Branch too a head case in the end? Very "ME" focused...
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    Kind of the point.
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    It's worth keeping an eye out and holding tryouts - there may or may not be an actual "void" but there is a high need for quality depth.

    Let's look at our WR corps (...and not our TEs because the real need is to credibly stretch the field so that our TEs and RBs can be open options as well)

    * = Question Mark - we do NOT know for sure what can be expected from these guys.

    1. Troy Brown - the only sure thing on the roster. We know at the very least he's good for 35 receptions like last year, and hope he might have even more in the tank at age 35.

    2*. Gabriel - a guy who hasn't played a down for us is looked at as many as our #2 WR. He's a veteran, who has a career high of only 37 passes - lots of upside - but we have to consider him a question mark (*) until we see what he can do on the field in a game.

    3*. Jackson - Another question mark. #1 WR potential but hasn't been on the field. Rookie WRs also typically need time to development. That hasn't stopped many from declaring him ready to haul in 50 plus passes this year, but in reality, he's a question mark.

    4*. Caldwell - Two very good receptions last week - but still just 2 (on pace for 32 this year). Had the drosies in pre-season. Another question mark.

    5.* Childress/Smith/Revolving Door - enough said - if it were my call, Caldwell would have a permanent spot on the roster - but clearly the coaching staff has some questions.


    Bottom Line:

    We have Troy Brown and 4 question marks.

    Brown, Gabriel, Jackson and Caldwell are not going anywhere - at least not short term. That leaves 2 roster spots for others to fight over. I'm all for letting anyone and everyone fight it out to see who can stick.

    Will all 4 question marks crap out? Unlikely - 2 out of 4? Maybe. Will all 4 exceed reasonable expectations (that is, based on what they've done in the past?) Unlikely as well.

    So we won't know for awhile - but by the same token, all we need to do is keep a credible, deep threat, and successfully use it often enough to prevent defenses from collapsing on our running and short to mid game.
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    Good post Joe, but I'd have to remark that as evidenced by the repeated swapping of Smith and Childress there are only 5 WR slots on this roster (leaving just the one to fight over, not two). If there were two, then wouldn't both guys be here?

    The depth chart at this point seems to be:

    1. Brown
    2. Caldwell
    *Gabriel
    *Jackson
    5. Childress/Smith

    Five total, with two injured. It remains to be seen who gets what playing time until the injured guys get their hammies all patched up.
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    Jimmy Smith is the only one who even remotely would interest me, but he's retired and the speculation is that he retired to avoid a four game suspension because of substance abuse policy violations.
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    Not to mention he's probably on Jacksonville's Reserve-Retired list.
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    I apologize. I posted the wrong image in my previous post and I deleted it.

    What I should have posted is this:

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    Yes, we now have a huge void at WR. We just traded a guy who hasn't played for us this year at all, and if we hadn't traded him, he wouldn't have played until game 10. We have two guys who haven't played for us but probably will play for us this weeks.

    So, because of the trade, we now have more of a void at WR than we had before the trade.:eek:

    I get it now.

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