Pats release McKenzie

[irishman3620]

im shocked he got cut. i think he goes to ps and it leaves room to sign jarvis green back. it buys another year with lackluster de and go after a quality passrushing de in the draft or free agency.

 

[Mogamedogz]

ILB is a position of strength on the team.

Could have fooled me.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Just got home and saw this, first reaction.

Fletcher must be the gem of the UDFAs, which is pleasing. I don't know much of this kid at all, time to do some research.

 

[Ring 6]

there have been a lot more misses than hits the last few years... sorry that u cant see that, now i could be wrong ,but i the proof will be in the pudding ... who is rushing the passer ??? 3 offensive line man from the last 2 drafts gone.. not to mention the Derrick Burgess blunder, there is no back up plan .. that has to be some fault on the scouting dept ....

What about the good picks?
Why is Burgess a 'blunder'? He played an awful lot last year. Were you expecting to get an all-pro in his prime for a 3rd?
To just name draft picks, acquisitions or whatever that you were not happy with doesn't come close to showing anyone did a bad job. You have to look at the interrelated decisions, for example, would OL picked in the 200s have made the team if we didnt draft Vollmer in the 2nd? Or if we didn't acquire other players that beat them out? Then you would have to show that the cumulative decisions were worse than other teams.
You have convinced me of the point that you have gone far enough to prove, and that is that not every draft choice has become a star. You built a lazy case if you are trying to argue more than that.

 

[patsinthesnow]

What about the good picks?
Why is Burgess a 'blunder'? He played an awful lot last year. Were you expecting to get an all-pro in his prime for a 3rd?
To just name draft picks, acquisitions or whatever that you were not happy with doesn't come close to showing anyone did a bad job. You have to look at the interrelated decisions, for example, would OL picked in the 200s have made the team if we didnt draft Vollmer in the 2nd? Or if we didn't acquire other players that beat them out? Then you would have to show that the cumulative decisions were worse than other teams.
You have convinced me of the point that you have gone far enough to prove, and that is that not every draft choice has become a star. You built a lazy case if you are trying to argue more than that.

A 3rd and a 5th for what Burgess did is a big miss, simple.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I think that the time has come for Belichick, or Kraft, or anyone, to make a statement to the media and advise them, and the fans, what is going on.....at least to a certain degree.

Yeah, thats not gonna be happening, Im sure what they're doing makes sense to them and thats all they're concerned about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Could you kindly tell me what draft has been a huge success since 2003... ?? Im tired of these guys not developing, Wheatly Whilhite, Crable, Brace, who the jury is still out... Last year we made some progress, but the 08 draft has set this team back as far as depth....

2004 - Wilfork, Watson. Best NT in the game and a solid TE. Injuries killed the safeties' careers

2005 - Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel. A tremendous draft

2006 - Maroney, Thomas, Gostkowski, O'Callaghan, Smith, Andrews. Better than it's given credit for

2007 - Meriweather, Welker, Moss. Best 2007 draft day of any team in the NFL

2008 - Mayo, Wheatley, Wilhite, Slater. DPOY, injured player, dime CB and a special teams ace. Not great, but Wheatley has a chance to improve the outlook

2009 - Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, McKenzie, Ingram, Pryor, Edelman, Richard. Looking as if it might turn out to have been the best 2009 draft day of any NFL team

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yeah, thats not gonna be happening, Im sure what they're doing makes sense to them and thats all they're concerned about.

It might be a cunning plan. Wait until the last minute to release McK so that the other teams 53 man rosters are all set and it is less likely he will be picked up on waivers.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Dang, another relatively high draft pick simply cut. I'm not piling on all the missed draft picks and free agent acquisitions, but I am getting frustrated by it.

So they sign an undrafted FA, TE/T, that couldn't make the Texans, and cut McKenzie? It's hard to stay positive on BB the GM. I'm just being honest.

So, this TE/T, undrafted FA was not somebody they thought high enough to draft, but they just have to fill out their roster with him I guess. We shall see what happens. I guess they missed on Larsen and Walsh, so maybe this guy is an offensive lineman that can stick. We'll see.

 

[Ring 6]

A 3rd and a 5th for what Burgess did is a big miss, simple.

I disagree. You cant trade for what the player will do. You give the asking price or dont. Given the roster, the need and the asking price, as well as the most reasonable expectation of what Burgess would play like, it was a reasonable decision. The fact that his skills had and were continuing to deteriorate is an unfortunate result. He was brought in ONLY to be a pass rusher in sub packages. He did that for one year, and was cut the following year. Had he played at the expected level, he would have filled a very necessary need last year, and this year as well.
The trade did not work out, but as I said before at the time of the trade it was justified, and a reasonable trade. In terms of seeing into the future it was awful.

 

[BigMike]

What about the good picks?
Why is Burgess a 'blunder'? He played an awful lot last year. Were you expecting to get an all-pro in his prime for a 3rd?
To just name draft picks, acquisitions or whatever that you were not happy with doesn't come close to showing anyone did a bad job. You have to look at the interrelated decisions, for example, would OL picked in the 200s have made the team if we didnt draft Vollmer in the 2nd? Or if we didn't acquire other players that beat them out? Then you would have to show that the cumulative decisions were worse than other teams.
You have convinced me of the point that you have gone far enough to prove, and that is that not every draft choice has become a star. You built a lazy case if you are trying to argue more than that.

Bill,

calm down....we know youve had a rough week. Chill bro, head over to Wallbergs brothers new restauraunt down the street with Holloway and have a nice dinner.

 

[Ring 6]

Dang, another relatively high draft pick simply cut. I'm not piling on all the missed draft picks and free agent acquisitions, but I am getting frustrated by it.

So they sign an undrafted FA, TE/T, that couldn't make the Texans, and cut McKenzie? It's hard to stay positive on BB the GM. I'm just being honest.

So, this TE/T, undrafted FA was not somebody they thought high enough to draft, but they just have to fill out their roster with him I guess. We shall see what happens. I guess they missed on Larsen and Walsh, so maybe this guy is an offensive lineman that can stick. We'll see.

I think you are overlooking that McKenzie is recovering from knee surgery and a year away from football, and that the OL is a project.
I think in time you will see both of them on the practice squad, which will make an awful lot of sense in hindsight.

 

[Pats726]

I think you are overlooking that McKenzie is recovering from knee surgery and a year away from football, and that the OL is a project.
I think in time you will see both of them on the practice squad, which will make an awful lot of sense in hindsight.

I agree...everyone is looking at EVERY minute move...as IF that is the last move without any concept or caring of the larger picture..not very wise or intelligent...

 

[ausbacker]

just another proof that the draft and scouting dept are lacking in something

Some of the players we'd hope would become impact players simply haven't. The perception is the Patriots appear to have "missed" in key areas of need thus adding to negative fan sentiment. That said, Spikes has pushed out McKenzie.

The Patriots have drafted well in places and not so well in others.

 

[Bostonian1962]

I think you are overlooking that McKenzie is recovering from knee surgery and a year away from football, and that the OL is a project.
I think in time you will see both of them on the practice squad, which will make an awful lot of sense in hindsight.

I hope you're right AJ, because you're doing WAY betting in staying positive then I am tonight. Heck, you're even trying to spin the Burgess trade in a positive light. You did watch him play last year, right? All I know is they tried to bolster their offensive line with some draft picks that they've since cut. They then add a player to the 53 that they didn't even think was worth drafting in any round. I hope he becomes an all pro, but I'm not as giddy as you are about it. I really do hope you are right about both of them.

P.S. - If they don't get McKenzie back to the PS, I'm curious to see who fills in at ILB if Spikes has to sit out games for his little porn movie.

 

[patsox23]

Hope you're right, AJ. I think it'll be a real shame is McKenzie is dropped after showing a little something and being only one year removed from major surgery. Even if he didn't show up enough this off-season, you'd like to think they'd have a bit more faith and patience in him.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

2004 - Wilfork, Watson. Best NT in the game and a solid TE. Injuries killed the safeties' careers

Terrible draft overall. Watson didn't do anything to justify the Pats reaching for him in the first round. Gronkowski already looks better than Watson.

2005 - Mankins, Hobbs, Kaczur, Sanders, Cassel. A tremendous draft

They got lucky with Mankins and one year wonder Cassel. Hobbs isn't with the team anymore and Kaczur could've been cut this year.

2006 - Maroney, Thomas, Gostkowski, O'Callaghan, Smith, Andrews. Better than it's given credit for

Worst draft of the BB era. You are a homer if you think this was a good draft. This absolutely was the reason they didn't win a super bowl in '06. They traded two picks to draft Chad Jackson yet made him go tackle someone on special teams which ended up tearing his ACL.

2007 - Meriweather, Welker, Moss. Best 2007 draft day of any team in the NFL

Why do people insist Welker and Moss were drafted by the Pats? This goes in the trade category. And Welker was technically a FA.

2008 - Mayo, Wheatley, Wilhite, Slater. DPOY, injured player, dime CB and a special teams ace. Not great, but Wheatley has a chance to improve the outlook

This draft was the second worst. Mayo might have won DROY but so did Kendrell Bell? In addition, it's easier to win an award when your only competition was rookies. Taking Wheatley over Terrell Thomas still bothers me to this day.

2009 - Chung, Brace, Butler, Vollmer, Tate, McKenzie, Ingram, Pryor, Edelman, Richard. Looking as if it might turn out to have been the best 2009 draft day of any NFL team

I didn't like this draft at the time, but it's looking a lot better. Overall, this draft is better then any of the other mentioned above.

 

[upstater1]

Some of the players we'd hope would become impact players simply haven't. The perception is the Patriots appear to have "missed" in key areas of need thus adding to negative fan sentiment. That said, Spikes has pushed out McKenzie.

The Patriots have drafted well in places and not so well in others.

It's hard to say Spikes is the one who pushed him with White and Fletcher on the team.

 

[eagle eye]

Why do people insist Welker and Moss were drafting by the Pats? This goes in the trade category. And Welker was technically a FA.

No the problem is people like to separate them.

If you use draft picks only to bring in players then you basically drafted these players with those picks.

As a matter of fact all the dealings of the summer should be put together. This separating the draft and trades is really ******ed because its all about improving the team every summer by trading or drafting.

 

[Brarrell]

Hope you're right, AJ. I think it'll be a real shame is McKenzie is dropped after showing a little something and being only one year removed from major surgery. Even if he didn't show up enough this off-season, you'd like to think they'd have a bit more faith and patience in him.

I think alot of this goes back to the owner they haven't spent any money on FA's in the last few years adding good players while developing your young guys. Instead we trade Seymore for a 2011 1st instead of a 2010 1st which would have been a top ten pick where you can get a top defensive player, but no we take the 2011 because there will probably be a new CBA and a rookie salary cap are you freakin kidding me. You didn't want to sign Samuel why because he didn't intercept a pass in the Superbowl! So you spend all this money and effort to replace him they should have signed the guy he is a PLAYMAKER. They hide behind the cap and Felger has continuously shown that its a bunch of baloney. The Jets, Redskins and numerous other teams have shown its a bunch of crap.