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  1. patriot1136

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    I'm sure this has been talked about before, but since it's almost draft day:
    Who are the Pats best and worst all time draft picks? I think it's safe to say Brady is the best but who is the worst/biggest bust ever?
     
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    Biggest bust, BB era Ras I Dowling.

    Of all time. Chris Canty comes to mind
     
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    The only other one I can think of off the top of my head that might compete with Dowling is Laurence Moroney.
     
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    Kenneth Sims
     
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    Based on draft position, it has to be Sims. Though Eugene Chung was no slouch.
     
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    All of this is subjective, it's all about who your particular binky is. After watching too much draft coverage, it's pretty clear it's all a crap shoot and that the insiders understand this far better than the fans. They aren't amazed when a first rounder fails or a sixth rounder succeeds.

    Having said all that, my binky was Bethel Johnson. I expected a lot more from him! :mad:
     
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    Chad Jackson was a bigger bust than Dowling. Dowling had like, 3-4 games where he actually contributed.
     
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    Wasn't Ras I the first pick in the second round? That's pretty much a first round pick. He played 3 games and spent the next 2 years on IR.
     
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    There are so many of them, but my choice is:

    Tavon The Error Repeater Wilson.
     
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    But with Sims it was the injuries that killed his career. When healthy he wasn't a bad player. Not worthy of the first pick in the draft but not Vernon Gholston either. Chung just flat out sucked.
     
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    You're thinking of a different Kenneth Sims, perhaps. The Kenneth Sims who was drafted #1 overall by the Patriots was hot garbage.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...w-england-patriots-best-and-worst-draft-picks
     
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    he is still with the team though, theoretically has a chance to prove that second round pick
     
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    Dowling was the 33rd pick. Jackson was the 36th. If we're gonna be autists and judge purely on draft position to that degree then yeah, Dowling was the bigger bust. But Dowling had some good games, albeit briefly, and I still think he could have a career in the NFL. Jackson is playing in some Korean league now or something.
     
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    Theoretically Yes, realistically No.
     
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    First of all, BB and crew have been drafting for fourteen years, so this discussion splits into pre BB and BB. Probably Ken Sims, Eugene Chung, or Hart Lee Dykes are the worst first rounders pre-BB; these are high draft picks who couldn't or wouldn't play. But they are from twenty-plus years ago.

    Most of the first rounders of the BB era have produced in some manner. Obviously the worst drafting error is picking a guy with no talent in the first round, and they haven't really done that at all. The team is going to play the first rounders, so guys like Maroney and Meriweather, who didn't make it to their second contract here, belong in this discussion because they seemed not so good but still played a lot. Meanwhile, guys like Andy Katzenmoyer, who maybe could play a little but got injured in his first season and left football, or, less on point here, Robert Edwards, who looked like he could play but got hurt and was done, are ranked below the talent-light crew, but BB hasn't really had any of those in the first round either. The second round failures, like Chad Jackson, Ron Brace, Adrian Klemm and Terrence Wheatley, are less egregious because that's a place where teams take a flier on an injured or otherwise questionable player. But clearly that's from where many of the failures have come.

    Overall, Chad Jackson was the least effective draft pick. A high second rounder (#36) who couldn't play. What a dog. He was pretty hyped during the 06 draft too, and it was surprising that he slipped to NE. 18 NFL games, that says it all.

    A strong case could be made that Laurence Maroney is the worst BB first round pick. He is the only BB first round draft pick thus far to have completed his career having played less than 100 games (he played 49 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm. ) He was an RB, which position has the shortest average career due to the wear and tear of the position but still, the next shortest career is Brandon Meriweather's, at 89 games, and he is still active. As we all know, Maroney could play, but he didn't want to play the way BB wanted him to, then he got hurt at the end and couldn't really catch on anywhere else.

    Ras-I Dowling fits in with the injured crew, he was not a successful pick by any means (8 games thus far) but the failure level on the that pick gets discounted because of other successes NE has had drafting injured college players, like Gronk or Curtis Martin (third rounder).
     
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    Since my favorite picks for busts were already mentioned, I will throw a wild card out there - Irving Fryar. This is based soley on draft position. He was a decent receiver for the Pats, but he was the first overall pick. The fact that he turned into a very good receiver once he left the Pats was an additional spike into the heart of the Patriots. He clearly isn't the biggest bust, but I wanted to throw someone new into the mix. I would put him in the top 5-10.

    Brady is obviously the best draft pick. A best of his generation/all time type of QB in a QB league drafted in the sixth round is arguably the best draft pick of all time in the NFL. As for who is number 2? I would say it was Curtis Martin (HOF RB taken in the third round) followed by (in no particular order):

    Ben "Winter" Coates in the fifth round
    Andre Tippett in the second round
    Tedy Bruschi in the third round
     
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    NFLN is running a new series called caught in the draft. The Fryar year was featured and the USFL screwed it all up. Reggie White, Steve Young and Gary Zimmerman could have been had. Carl Banks and Wilbur Marshall were the best of the players who went to the NFL.
     
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    Tavon was not that bad as a rookie, he made mistakes but he contributed a lot more than players like Dowling, Jackson, Bequette and other during their tenures here.
     
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    No love(hate) for Trevor Matich? he was the guy with the "short arms" wasn't he?
     

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