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  1. Kid~Brady

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    Okay so these new rules are driving me nuts. I know the basics: Each team gets a possession. For example, if the team that wins the coin toss drives the ball down the field and kicks a fieldgoal, the other team still gets a possession and an opportunity to score. Conversely, If the team that wins the toss scores a TD, games over. Also if both teams score fieldgoals then its basically sudden death after that point. I got that part but everyday I keep hearing all of these stipulations and difference scenarios.

    I thought I had a good grasp but I guess I dont. I had originally heard that an "on-side" kick would not be considered as the other team getting a possession if the receiving team does not recover. I thought that was pretty fair since each team should "officially" get a possession by physically having the offense on the field for a chance to drive for a TD.

    Now, I just heard on the radio that if the receiving team does not recover and the kicking team actually gets the on-side kick recovery, thats the other teams possession because technically that was the team's official "chance" for a possession. I honestly find that pretty cheap and can ruin a game. Thoughts? Is that rule fair in your eyes?

    I can see teams going for alot of 4th and 1's and probably kicking a ton of on-side kicks with these new rules. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I certainly hope so, thanks
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    All I care about is whether the rules help the Patriots.

    They do. The rules help defenses that are bend but don't break.
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    The first part of the rule makes a lot of sense..

    The second part of the rule will require a new position, legal coach, to advise the HC of what to do...
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    Does that mean that if Team A wins the toss and ends up with a field goal and then does an onside kick and recovers it, the game is over? Because that was team B's official "chance" to have a possession? Something a miss there.
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    Same here. I thought the exact same thing but I was listening to Dale and Holly and they just said if the team kicks a on-side and they recover, they keep the ball and march on to win if they score. It doesnt sound right to me. I'm doing some more research now but I was hoping somebody already had
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    I thought the rule was just "You need seven points to win in OT"?
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    Okay so I found something.. this is from the link posted on the bottom. I guess its true, that sucks :mad:


    Some of you have asked what happens if a team recovers an onside kick on the first kickoff of overtime. In that scenario, the recovering team could win the game on a field goal. The rules read:

    “A kickoff is the opportunity to possess for the receiving team. If the kicking team legally recovers the kick, the receiving team is considered to have had its opportunity.”

    So a team could get a “walkoff” win by recovering the kick and going in for a score. Sudden death rules would then apply. The same rules apply if the receiving team fumbles a kickoff.

    In theory, this could make coaches more bold to open overtime. They could fail to recover the onside kick, still hold the opposing team to a field goal, and get the ball back.

    In practice, we suspect most coaches will avoid risking so much field position, just like in regulation.


    link.. NFL Changes Overtime Rules For The Playoffs Only - Arrowhead Pride
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    No you can still win with 3 lets say that the Jets win the OT toss and recieve the Pats don't allow any points then they get the ball back and score a FG that is game over both teams had the ball.

    As for the onside kick this there is just way too much risk in doing that if you are up by the 3 points you need why would you risk give the oppoent a short field to try to win kick it deep and hold them
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    I don't think the onside kick aspect is "cheap" at all. Teams know the rules going in, so it's simply encumbent on the receiving team to get the kick. If they do, they've got great field position. Don't think we'll see a lot of onside kicks.

    Funny, I always liked the rules as they were, but I find myself looking forward to an overtime game now, so I suppose I like the change. Will probably want to have it in the regular season now as well. More strategy.
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    A shame it wasn't passed for the regular season, wouldn't the nfl want to see it there 1st before this could end up in the superbowl? And I'd kill for this to apply in madden...:cool:
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    Really though, is it just a tv time saver for it not to be? Are regular season games deemed last important? What if the rams-seahawks game went into OT and the coin tosser winner won on a field goal the 1st drive of the game.
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    It is primarily about television and their schedules. In the regular season you have games back to back, followed by three hours of primetime shows. Overtime games push all of those back. Those other shows could get hurt because they don't start on time, and people who would normally tune in to them switch to another show on a competing network.

    In addition the biggest moneymaker for local television stations is their news; since it is locally produced they get to keep that advertising revenue all to themselves. They already miss out on their normal 6:00 news show; now the 11:00 news gets pushed back a half hour or more. Again, people switch the channel and watch something else. Advertisers don't like paying top dollar for a smaller audience, complain to the local station, who complains to the network, who complains to the NFL. And since ratings sweeps are around weeks 8-12 this becomes even more important for those involved.

    On the other hand in the playoffs there are only a couple of games each day, and it is only for three weeks. So if a game goes to overtime it is less of an issue. It's really a business decision, not a football decision.
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    So we probably won't see it applied to regular season anytime soon then :( .
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    Team A gets ball

    scores TD game over
    gets a FG- Team B gets chance to tie or win
    any defensive score by team B-game over
    kick return for a TD- game over


    Team B gets the ball on anything but a TD

    must match FG to keep the game going
    if it scores a TD-game over


    If tied 3-3 or 0-0 after both teams get the ball
    it goes to sudden death and first team to score wins.

    If you fumble the kickoff or if the kicking team recovers an onside kick, that still counts as your opportunity to possess the ball.

    So the team the kicks off does an onside kick and recovers, they just need a FG to win.
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    Ok, how about this. Team A gets the ball first, kicks a field goal. During Team B's drive to match, they throw an interception, but someone pulls a Troy Brown and strips the ball out. Team B recovers the fumble. I think technically that would reset the downs in most situations, as it counted as a change of possession followed by an immediate counter change in possession. Would the game be over in that scenario, even though Team B got the ball back?
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    If it goes to sudden death, is there another coin toss or does Team B kick off to Team A?
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    I believe so because it counts as a first possession.
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    Team B kicks off and now it reverts back to regular season OT
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    The ball changed possession and thus the game is over. Now I am not sure about if that happens and the team returns said fumble for a TD.
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