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    It looks like its possible Kc will join the list of teams that have tried to pry Scott Piolie from the Patruots. Kc is a pretty prestigeous team,unlike Detroit.

    Hunt looking for ‘shrewd evaluator of football talent’ to replace Peterson - Kansas City Star

    Hunt looking for ‘shrewd evaluator of football talent’ to replace Peterson
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    Chiefs’ Edwards still standing, for nowCiting need for 'clean break,' Chiefs and Peterson partThe good, the bad and King CarlChiefs owner Hunt finally steps forwardGonzalez says he’s not relieved that Peterson is leavingFormer coach Schottenheimer disappointed for PetersonHunt looking for ‘shrewd evaluator of football talent’ to replace PetersonChiefs fans say they were ready for Peterson to goFans’ reaction to PetersonHighlights of the Carl Peterson eraChiefs lowlights under Carl PetersonTimeline | Carl Peterson's career in Kansas CityChiefs attendanceCarl Peterson’s record with the ChiefsGrading Carl Peterson’s draft picksCarl Peterson’s head coachesCarl Peterson resigns as Chiefs general managerChiefs let another one get away in lossReady, aim — fire everybodyThis one got away in a hurry for Chiefs
    Clark Hunt wouldn’t identify any possible candidates to replace Carl Peterson as Chiefs general manager. Hunt, the Chiefs’ chairman, did reveal a list of qualities he’s looking for in Peterson’s replacement.

    “I want somebody who’s a shrewd evaluator of football talent,” Hunt said. “(His) job will be 24/7 to think about the football team. That’s the most important quality. Obviously I’m looking for a strong leader, a good communicator, preferably somebody who has experience in building a winning NFL team.”

    Though he was speaking generically, he could have been describing Scott Pioli, New England’s vice president of player personnel. Pioli, 43, could wind up as Hunt’s primary target.....continued.
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    Re: Kansas City the Latest to look at Piolie?

    To be fair, that description fits just about every good GM in football. I'm sure the Chiefs would love to have Pioli, though, as would probably every other front office in the league.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    This thread is dumb.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    We hear this every single year, don't we?
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    dumber than the "what would the record be if the whole team was healthy" thread ??? :D
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Pioli, McDaniels, and Cassel will be mentioned for every open GM, Head Coach, and QB position. It doesn't mean any of them will leave the Pats... well, Cassel will.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    :deadhorse::deadhorse:
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    this isn't as dumb as comparing cassel to steve young............

    pioli has pretty much locked up a lifetime gig here..............going ANYWHERE else will have huge risk attached to it
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    rumors fly every year but do they pan out....never
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    not even close.... the "healthy thread" is epic dumb, this one is just mildly lame.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    In the Past Pioli has personally told me that he is not gonig anywhere. Of course that was 5 years ago when the first rumors were flying around.

    I had pregame sideline passes to the Ravens game a few years back. The rumors were out there so when Pioli walked past we asked him are you going anywhere? and he responded "I am not going anywhere" and man of his word the extension was announced a few weeks later.

    Rumors have been thrown around since and he has turned them all down I doubt this would be different though you have to give a little more credit than the Lions rumor.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Three words...
    Scott is Staying
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    The last place I thnk he'd go is out west anyway. Jump in line, KC.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    I think its pretty naive to assume Pioli is staying because, well, hes staying.

    If he has a chance to be a GM with the kind of authority that Hunt would give him in KC, why is it ridiculous to thinks its a possibility. Unless you have information that Pioli has no ambition to be any more than he is. Or if you are assuming that than please explain why?

    Also, McDaniels WILL be a hot commodity after the offense did what it did without Brady. And Matt Cassel would be a perfect pick up for almost any team, certainly the Chiefs, who will have the draft picks to give in FA or in a franchised situation.

    stranger things have happened. see below
    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/938759.html
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    hopefully Pioli will stay. but sooner or later, hes going to grow tired of hearing the majority of praise going to BB.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Pioli and the Herminator... :rofl:
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?


    Exactly. People need to THINK as opposed to reacting to the latest mediot rumor.

    FYI newbies, 2 yrs ago Pioli turned down an excellent BIG $ offer by Paul Allen for Seattle, certainly not a LOSER franchise like one that picked Herm Edwards.

    Let's see...I'm wealthy. I want to live in KC or Seattle. Let me think... :D
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    This isn't the first time Pioli has been given an opportunity to get a GM job. Several years ago the Seahawks offered to make him the highest paid GM in the league and he declined. He had an opportunity to be the GM of the Giants which was his favorite team growing up and he took his name out of the running before they could even ask. Why would he want the KC job when he could have been the GM of his favorite team growing up or be the highest paid GM at the time in Seattle? The Chiefs are in a tough situation with no QB, overpriced and declining RB and TE, and a lot of holes.

    As for McDaniels, he is more likely to leave. I still don't see him leaving unless he gets the right job. He probably could have gotten a job last year, but declined interviews with the Raiders and Redskins. He won't take the Raiders or Lions job.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    As rob pointed out he has had some really good opportunities that he passed on already and persumably he is happy where he is and is going to play out this run. I imagine that at some point he will go out on his own but he is young and he is being smart staying in a good position.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Pioli is relatively young, and odds are Belichick won't coach more than another, say, 5 years. Pioli may not be jumping at every opportunity because he believes his time will come, right here.

    Oh, and note to refluxblue: it's spelled "Pioli" not "Piolie".
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    The provincialism is unbelievable. That Boston is mecca and that its just assumed that Pioli will just spend the rest of his life just happy to be priviliged to be allowed to just be a part of things here.

    That very well may be. But we dont know how peoples personal situations change. Maybe he and his family at a different place than they were 2 years ago and now is the time to make a move. Maybe he doesnt like New York. Maybe, for him, the lifestyle in Kansas City, is a better fit than Seattle. Who knows? None of us do, thats for sure.

    Im just saying, to dismiss it foolish and naive. There was a time Belichick wanted to make his own mark without Parcells. There was a time Caroline Kennedy had no interest in political office. Things change.

    And if Pioli gets a offer to be in total control in KC, which by the way, is a great franchise when run right, it was a cornerstone franchise when the Patriots were a laughingstock, whose to say he wont get rid of Edwards and take his shot at making his mark with the Chiefs?

    Dayton Moore, the GM of the Royals, turned down a job in Boston when he was assistant GM of the Braves,"because it wasnt in the best interests of his children"
    the next year he took the job in KC.
    The KC area might also be more enticing to Pioli forthe same reason. You never know, people.

    heres more today
    Pioli or someone who can get Cowher are Chiefs’ best options - Kansas City Star
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Pioli has passed up offers before and made his intentions to stay pretty clear. While he could change his mind, it's certainly not "provincialism" to remember that going forward.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    Who's reacting to what.I started a thread that simply said that KC was the latest in a long line of teams interested in Pioli. (thanks Alamo) Then a select few jump on it like i and others said hes Going to take the job if offered. KC is one of the legendary franchise's in the NFL, Seattle is NOT and never will be IMO. Some day Pioli will Leave, i don't think that day has come.

    The select few also said this thread is "Dumb" If its so dumb why did you read it? Dumb compared to what, the 100(s) of ridiculous threads posted here over the last 3+ months that caused people like Patjew to leave and me to hide out in the arcade. Where was your disdain for them?
    If you think a thread or a post is dumb ridiculous etc. DON'T READ IT, It works for me. If i see a thread that looks dumb i don't bother opening it.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    I do agree that it is provincial homerism to actually use facts to show that Pioli has had opportunities to leave before and have total control and tons of money elsewhere and passed at the chance. Pioli has been a hot commodity for over half a decade. He could have had his pick of virtually any open GM job since 2003. Yet, he has either rejected every offer or took his name out of the running before he could be asked because he is happy here.

    It isn't homerism or provinciality. It is seeing Pioli's actions. He seems to be content in his situation now than going elsewhere. He isn't the only guy who has ever done this in sports. Monty Kiffin could have had about a dozen head coaching jobs in his career, but he was happy to spend over a decade as the Bucs' defensive coordinator (at least until this year where he has decided to coach under his son). Not every guy has the desire to have total control.

    Pioli may want to stay here because he feels his legacy will be greater partnering with Belichick and having Brady as his QB. He may enjoy the stability and job security which he has here and he would not have elsewhere if he didn't turn around the team quickly. He may just not want to uproot his family and force his kids leave their school and friends. There are a lot of positives here for Pioli over any other position in the league if he doesn't desire to have total control which he seems to have shunned in the past.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    As further evidence of this point, OL coach and assistant head coach Dante Scarnecchia says hi. :)
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    My name is not Pats1. I did not say the thread was dumb.
    As to your thin skinned emotional over reaction, perhaps you'd better not post if you can't take criticism.
    Me, I open a thread because I can't use telepathy to discern editorial rumor and speculation from fact without seeing the content.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    ok, you have convinced me. Pioli will never leave because he hasnt before. Its etched in stone, and anyone who even entertains the idea that someday he might want to have total control over another football franchise is just a stupid idiot.......

    look, lets try this again. Nobody has suggested Pioli is leaving. But its totally ridiculous for anyone to rule it out. If you look at it objectively, which would make more sense, that a relatively young man, who has had great success for a period of time, would turn down some opportunities along the way, and then at some point be in a position in his life to go for a higher position? Or is it more likely that man, because he turned down a few offers when he felt his time wasnt finished where he was, made the decision to NEVER leave?

    of course there are great reasons to stay. There are also great reasons to go. For any of us to say we can know based on what he did before is ludricrous. Because you turned a job offer down 2 years ago theres no way you could possibly make a career move now??? Who lives like that?
    "Son, you've made your life choice. You turned down that job with Sprint in 2002. So there is no way you can take a job now in 2008 with Verizon that is offering you a big promotion with complete control over your department."

    Yeah, right. makes sense to me. :rolleyes:

    as I said, you cant go by what he did or didnt do a few years ago, using that logic, Bill Belichick wouldnt have left Bill Parcells either. Its a fact Pioli made the choices he made before. That has no bearing on the choices he might make today.

    Would you do every single thing in your life today that you did before?

    To totally rule out the idea he would take a GM job, a promotion, elsewhere, and that anybody who is open to the idea that he might make that decision is somehow an idiot or not looking at "the facts", is someone thinking with their heart and not with their head.
    Its cant happen because you dont want it to happen.
    Thats provincialism. Or denial.
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    I'm too concerned with the next two weeks (and hopefully more) of football to focus on this, but, if Pioli goes anywhere, I think he should only go where there is an ownership that is thoroughly committed to winning. In fact, if he jumps at big bucks for a few years with an owner who isn't committed to winning, he will probably reduce his long term earnings.

    His coin is very valuable right now because he has worked for the Krafts, who want to field a team that competes for the Playoffs every year (even when they lose their QB and half their D to injury). He has no need to jump at big bucks for a couple of years to a franchise without such a commitment, since he is a relatively young guy (43) who is assured of a long term stream of income at a high level if he stays right where he is.

    If Jerry Jones or the Rooney's or Laurie or the Mara's (Tisch) make him an offer, then I think we might have to worry about losing him. These are other owners who are committed to building and rebuilding winners over time. But, I doubt they would pay him more than Kraft. So, then, he would have to decide whether he wanted to be part of building a winner somewhere else or stay where he is.
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    Re: Kansas City the latest to look to Pioli?

    No you didn't say the thread was "dumb" but then again I never named you as the one who said it. By what you posted in response to one by BOX you put yourself on the side of those originally trashed it. I don't start a lot of threads, especially in the main forum but the last 2-3 have been harmless and i've gotten a -5 point rep hit for not putting a question mark at the end of one thread title. So yeah at this point I'm a little angry, more so at seeing what passes around here for a reputable thread and what doesn't.
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    Don't react to some idiot's down rep because of trivia.

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