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    no ochocinco? M'eh
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    i can agree with that
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    No way in hell is Welker above Troy Brown.
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    I wonder if Jim Colclough deserves to be included somewhere in the top five.
    In the history of the franchise #81 ranks:

    - 6th with 5001 yards receiving (5th if you only include WRs)
    - 3rd with 17.7 yards per catch (minimum 100 receptions)
    - 5th with 39 TD receptions (4th if you only include WRs)
    - Still ranks 10th in receptions with 283, despite massive changes in the way the game is played now

    Also:
    - Led the league in yards per catch once, and was in the top-10 five times
    - Three times in the top-5 in the league in touchdown receptions
    - Three times in the top-10 in the league in yards receiving
    - Three times in the top-10 in the league in receptions
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    Good list overall. Unfortunately, I'm too young to have seen Morgan and Cappelletti so not sure where they stand in my mind. I have heard of them and am familiar with how great they were. For me, I would have to throw in possibly Terry Glenn and Deion Branch
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    Gonna pull a "Deus Irae" for my list (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, counselor):

    Major caveat: my list here is based purely on my emotions for these guys, not on stats, not on perception of talent, just based on the sum total of the excitement I got watching them do their thing (in in Troy and Gino's cases, their things).

    1. Troy Brown
    2. Stanley Morgan






    3. Wes Welker















    4. Gino Cappeletti

    5. Jim Colclough

    HM. Randy Moss, Harold Jackson, Vincent Brisby, Randy Vataha, David Patten, Irving Fryar
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    Nice list that should generate some discussion because people can define "great" in different ways (cumulative productivity in yards, TDs, YPC, productivity per year, etc.). I think Fryar belongs in the discussion. In addition to his receiving, running, and returning skills, he goes to the top of the list as a ferocious blocker and that does not even appear in any stats (but wouldn't we appreciate that skill now). Welker would be on my list if it were NFL and not merely Patriots greats. Sadly for active players, value often appreciates after they are gone.

    http://prod.static.patriots.clubs.nfl.com/assets/docs/historical/alltime-lists/alltime-receivers.pdf
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    Same here. I'm 26 and I didn't get a chance to see Morgan and Cappelletti compete. Agree with Welker, Brown, and Moss though. Just don't know who I'd put ahead of who: Brown or Welker?
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    I'd put Brown above Welker, but that may be more emotive of me than rational.
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    Welker, by a country mile
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    My mind tells me Welker. My heart tells me Brown.
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    Way before my time, but what about Russ Francis? Always heard good things about the guy.
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    Brown helped bring the ring, and he further endeared himself to us with his willingness to play CB. But, for a pure WR, Brown only had 3 top line seasons, and his best year was 101 catches for 1199 yards. I'll always be a big fan of the man, but he's got to take a back seat to WWW when I'm actually ranking the WRs, IMO.
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    Irving Fryar wasn't worth the draft pick spent on him. Classic case of an athlete with a 10 cent head.
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    I had that exact problem for more than 25 years, although that involved a woman rather than a football player.
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    All-World was a TE, one of three best (along with Coates and Gronkowski).

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    Yes, Welker is the better receiver; the difference in stats and accolades is only partly explained by the other 10 offensive players. However:


    • Brown was (very unofficially) postseason MVP the most important postseason in Patriots' history.
    • He was on the team longer than Welker has been to date.
    • For the AFC Championship game in Pittsburgh alone, Brown is one of the most important special teams players in Patriot history.
    • Brown's switch to defense should count for a lot more than his JAG play on defense normally would rate.
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    I've had the same problem on and off since I was 16 but not lately. Hopefully that doesn't change when we get married.
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    I don't disagree, but guess I kind of liked him in part for the comedy element, but when he was "in shape" (not injured and not stoned) he was really exciting.
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    Love Welker, he's my favorite current patriot by a country mile but Troy will always have my heart for all time. If you look purely at stats your right Welker destroys bingo but Troy was so much more then just stats. Welker is a robot when it comes to consistently making the same play over and over again. Brown was never that good but he made up for it with pure heart and pluck. How many times have you seen Welker make a play that made you stand up and say did you see that? Brown has dozens. I agree with you that Welker is a borderline HOF while Brown will only ever go buying a ticket to tour but the special plays Brown made stand out and mean more to the heart. Who is the better WR? Welker. Who's the better football player? Brown. So he gets my vote for #1 even though the stats don't back that up.
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    I'll take Welker and his stats. But there is no question Brown is one of the most clutch Players in Patriots history. If I had to pick the guy I wanted on the field on the final drive it would be him. His Matrix like catch in 96 against the Giants still mesmerizes me to this day.

    Stanley Morgan was my first Patriots man crush. Could of been top 10 easily had he played on this Patriots team. Guy epitomized blue collar and everyone loved him for it.
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    You're right...you are too young. No way in he!! does Terry Glenn belong anywhere near that list. You could make a case for Branch, but even then he doesn't crack it either.
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    Well, that makes sense. Welker was far more productive as a Patriots' WR while Troy was more of the heart and soul of the team during the Super Bowl years. Troy had only one season that would even remotely rival any of Welker's seasons here, but he (along with Bruschi) epitomized what it was to be a Patriot during the early 2000s - a selfless overachiever who would do whatever it takes to win.
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    I think the change in the game to be more pass friendly affects the rankings. I also think you have to take in to consideration what someone like Stanley Morgan would do with Tom Brady as his QB. Check this out:

    Morgan: 180 games, 10352 yards
    Welker: 93 games, 7459 yards
    Brown: 182 games, 6366 yards

    If you look at things like yards per reception, it's Morgan who really shines, at 19.4 yards per catch. Brown and Welker are in the 11's. Morgan could really have benefited from the new rules in the passing game and from Tom Brady throwing to him over Grogan, Eason, et al. With that in mind, here's my thoughts:

    1. Morgan
    2. Welker
    3. Brown
    4. Moss: 75 yards per game and 50 TD's both rank #2 all time in Foxboro.
    5: Colclough and Gino, based on the fact I have not seen them play, and looking at numbers.
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    You can't really compare Morgan to Welker and Brown in yards per catch. Both Welker and Brown played a lot of slot and were/are possession WRs while Morgan was an outside deep threat. Of course Morgan's YPC are going to be much better. He didn't have a lot of 5 yard catches over the middle.
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