Re: Offensive Pass Protection Breakdown
Fantastic work unoriginal. I have a question for those ol gurus. I'm more of a dl guy. I've seen that our ol takes very tight splits.
I guess the splits they take are tighter than most, maybe, but I guess I've never really noticed much of a difference. The Pats (and most teams, I think) like to have their offensive line "fan out" in their pass drops to pick up some angle leverage on rushers instead of collapsing in on a tight pocket.
Kaczur got beat with speed all night. Strahan just ran around him. Osi and Strahan lined up very wide on obvious passing situations. Kaczur and Light don't suck. As, many posters think. We didn't get 589 points by accident. But, could we have split them out wider to give them better leverage in pushing those de's past Brady? Our t's don't take that exaggerated stance that a lot of teams use. Where T cheats back off line, supposed to be within 1yd but some guys push that. Then, they take their outside foot and set it up about 1/2 yard behind front foot allowing them to turn their shoulders quicker and square up and take de's coming in from outside with a better base and leverage.
They do use that stance, maybe not as much as other teams? Like I said above, they seem to prefer fanning out protection over collapsing it, which is what that 2-point stance is for.
how did our O-line do so bad? now im thinking the giants D-line played out of their minds...but it was the scheme as well...it had to be...too many guys were getting left unopen somehow...i dont get it....
im thinking that some prominent defensive minded heads came together...and created a gameplan for the giants front 7....lets not lie, a lot of NFL related personnel wanted us to lose that game...
Great work..have not totally digested it all...will reread...what was the difference between game 17 and the SUperbowl...as to what the Pats did..the Giants did??? Was it just the play wa snot as good or a strategy, approach?? Or both...
When they blitzed, they sent a lot of pressure through the guard gaps. They'd stunt away from it to open up the middle of the line, then send defensive backs and sometimes linebackers through. Other teams, and the Giants in Week 17, tended to bring that pressure from outside the tackles.
See above the two plays with Kevin Dockerty and Gibril Wilson blitzing, and check out the play listing for all the Dockerty + Wilson or Kavitka Mitchell zone blitzes. In the first game, the Giants' favorite blitz was Aaron Ross from the outside.
Plus, in the first game, Osi Umenyiora never really came to play. He was better in this game, plus Justin Tuck and Strahan were their previous outstanding selves.
So in your opinion Unoriginal - there was nothing McD & BB could've done to overcome the struggling OLine? What is your opinion on the play of Brady, he's taking some criticism from people here who think he was off the mark during the game, but more likely it looks like he just didn't have enough time to be effective.
I don't think Brady was particularly sharp, he missed some stuff even when he had time, starting from the very first drive.
There probably was something the Pats could have done to be more effective than they were, but I can't sit here and with any certainly say it would have been this or that. The Giants are a big tough team from the NFC East so its not its a foregone conclusion we could have run them over with Evans and Maroney. Our tight ends weren't blocking particularly well in the run game either.
Very impressive work,,
Seems like the Giants front office has done an excellent job of;
1) getting talent
2) Thinking outside the box, how many teams can line up 4 DE's across the LOS?? Could it be our Interior OL had never seen so much speed combined with a few confusing stunts to get them out of synch??? (A few more stunts than in December)
The Giants may be the only team built to beat a team like the Pats(I hope there aren't any more)
The Colts have a defense built on speed and front-only pressure, only they are small, get injured more, and are no longer as talented. But in 2006 they rode a similar defense to the Super Bowl.
But if one looks at his analysis of Giants in 17..there is ALMOST the same type sitiation....
8 sacks vs 2
9 knockdowns vs 6
17 pressures vs 21
similar...they sacked more of course.... but they way people have been talking...I would have expected the SB numbers to have been so much greater...
I think you've got a good handle on it. My analysis of Week 17 was that the Giants were special when it came to creating interior pressure. Add more interior zone blitzes, a deeper defensive tackle rotation and an awake Osi Umenyiora, and you've got the Super Bowl. Also, their defensive backs stopped ****ing up coverages and giving the Pats gimme touchdowns (see Randy Moss' 50th).
