I did watch Monk and Irvin play. Neither was a deep touchdown threat, as the data shows. Harper had that role in Dallas, for example, not Irvin.
Furthermore, I didn't compare Welker to Irvin. You made a terrible assertion about players who could 'go deep and and score a TD on any given play'. I noted examples of great receivers who wouldn't fit that mold but are considered among the very best anyway.
Face it. Your argument on this is simply a bad argument.
Monk and Irvin werent pure deep threats. Im saying they had the ability and have had those plays deep. They also scored or intermediate routes, they also could break tackles. They were the complete package at WR. Harper ran alot of deep routes but Irvin also could go deep or take one across the middle to the house. Monk was also a great blocker to go with his other talents.
Just because Monk and Irvin werent pure deep threats dosent mean they couldnt take a TD to the house. Ive seen both of them burn coverage for scores. They both are HOF players and did things Wes Welker could never do.
You compared all of those WRs to Welker when you said they were great but werent deep threats. I still find it funny you dont think Irvin was a deep threat. He could do it all.
My arguement first of all was never a arguement. It was my opinion. It is pretty simple. You want to go back and forth about something that is so obvious b/c you are a Pats fan.
The way I meant Welker was overrated had nothing to do with what he does on the field. Anyone who is not biased could see my very simple point. Welker is a slot WR. I dont care if he catches 100 balls every year until he retires. Anytime you compare someone who is a slot WR and runs 5 yard and 10 yard routes on almost every play to a WR who can take a 5 yd route 80 yards, or can take a 15 yard route run over a defender and go 80, or a WR who can go deep and either burn a defender or out jump a defender to Welker you are overrating him.
Welker is a one trick pony. He does what he does very well. He shouldnt be compared to WRs that can do more than just run short routes. In the offense the Pats run with Moss making it hard for defenses weekly it sets Welker up. Any slot WR can make plays when you got Brady throwing it deep to Moss. If you want me to be honest if Moss wasnt on the team Welker wouldnt be getting over 80 catches let alone over 110. Teams could focus on him and shut down his simple routes.
Welker does what he does well and should get praise but two key factors keep blinding you.
1. The Pats offense does pad Welkers stats. Its the same reason Running Back Kevin Faulk has been on your team so long. He isnt anything special. All he does is run screen routes and does them well. Welker runs shorts routes and screens and does them well. Honestly I wouldnt want Moss to be out for the season but if he broke his leg Sunday you would see my point. You cant put Welker into a top tier with guys like Moss, Fitz, and Andre if all he can do is run short routes. If Welker had 2 and 3 guys on him he wouldnt do ****. You are a Pats fan so it blinds you. Kinda like how Redskin fans love Clinton Portis yet he hasnt done **** if you really breakdown his stats and game tape.
2. I only said hes overrated when you compare him to complete WRs. No one would take Wes Welker over Andre Johnson. No one would take Wes Welker over Larry Fitzgerald. No one would take Wes Welker over Randy Moss. I could go on and on but you get my point. Then you throw in HOF WRs names and compare them to Welker. Thats just ignorant. Then you say Irvin wasnt a deep threat. No he didnt burn guys but he could go deep and score. So could Monk. So can Boldin. Who has done it alot. I could go on but you would just brush it off because your homerism blinds you.
The bottom line is Wes Welker is a slot WR. No slot WR is worth **** when compared to a superstar or a HOFer. Why? Its simple if he was that good he wouldnt be getting only short balls. You knocked off my SB comment. Yet it did prove my point. When a team shuts down Moss Welker cant win a game for your team. He had catch after catch in the SB. Why? The Giants didnt care. You can have those short yards but sooner or later you will have to punt. If Welker had any deep or even 15 yard route skills what so ever you might of won that SB. Its simple without Moss teams gameplan for Welker first. He wouldnt get a catch in some games unless he got a cheap WR screen for a 2 yard loss.
Ill admit im wrong if Wes Welker gets into the HOF. Trust me he wont. Hes not that good. Hes a great slot WR. He isnt a great all-around WR. If you werent a Pats fan you would of seen that by now.
