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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I'm sure there are many football and ex football players amongst us here...a thousand years ago, when I played,I was what was called the "monster man" in a 4/3 defense...essentially a LB/safety hybrid.The object ,(as anyone who has ever played the game competitively),on defense is to hit the opponent...HARD...impose YOUR will.
I never played in a game where anyone said "tone it down" or "reel it back"....if you tried to cross the LOS you were going to get hit as hard as humanly possible.I cannot recall laying a hard hit or a teammate doing likewise that wasn't met with "yeah man, nice hit!".The defense takes pride in watching an opponent get up wobbling and woozy after a good hit.
What separates this from what has been going on with this "hit for pay" scandal is quite simple....a football player plays for team FIRST and only cares about WINNING. As everyone has seen and heard these past days,THESE players involved in this scandal were primarily interested in collecting the bounty,win or lose. As long as they got a big hit that paid, winning was secondary. THAT is what is so grievous about this scandal, the very integrity of the game has been co-opted.
IF the allegations are proven to be true then this is 100 times worse than spyagate. However it will probably not get the same media attention. Not long term.
I'm sure there are many football and ex football players amongst us here...a thousand years ago, when I played,I was what was called the "monster man" in a 4/3 defense...essentially a LB/safety hybrid.
Clearly OhExaulted one, you missed the context of my message. I was only referring to the lack of immediate action vs letting it play out in the media. Whatever else you were trying to read into my post is lost on most including me.
I dunno, I think most fans recognize that a good coach isn't exactly standing on every street corner. I would never take a draft pick over BB. I think most fans feel like Payton is a good coach and who is to say that if the coach was fired, the next hire wouldn't be someone who completely screws up the team? That's hurting the fans too. Draft picks are not some holy grail. THe team needs to be punished and by definition, fans of that team are going to feel punished too. It is what it is.
IF the allegations are proven to be true then this is 100 times worse than spyagate. However it will probably not get the same media attention. Not long term.
Useless Google can't help me locate a reference to it, but I clearly recall in the aftermath of 2007 the league instituted a new procedure that required all members of team management up to ownership level to sign a letter annually stipulating that the team was not in violation of any league rule or directive at the start of each season and requiring them to agree to report any if and when they became aware of them. It was supposed to require accountability to the league on the part of lower management (coaches and assistants including in FO jobs) and place the responsibility on upper management and ownership to ask the questions every season so there would be no claims of plausible deniability (or if there still were someone's ass was getting fired for not notifying chain of command over and above whatever league punishment was inflicted on them for not reporting directly to the league).
So there is that, too.
Question: Did you ever do the mash? The Monster Mash?
ESPN's Easterbrook rips the Saints and declares the bounty program "much worse than Spygate." He goes so far to suggest Payton, Williams, et al., deserve as much or more suspension (or even be banned) time than Vick - he hurt dogs, Payton's boys hurt people. Think about that when Payton only gets 4 games as a suspension. Not only did the Saints deceive the NFL, as did Vick, they tried to injure fellow players - human beings. But there's no chance Goodell drops a year on anyone involved with the Saints. We can only hope the draft pick penalty is severe - two firsts, not one.
Saints bounty scandal is worse than Spygate for the example it sets for all other levels of football - ESPN
Rex Ryan has said he often has a bounty during the game!
They're his favourite chocolate bar...
(apologies if this joke has already been made, but too many pages to check!)
EDIT: Seems Bounty isn't marketed in the US! So here's a picture!