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  1. sebman2112

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    From Breer:

    "Patriots defensive backs coach Joel Collier will be in Coral Gables, Fla. tomorrow to get another read on Miami safety Brandon Meriweather. Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli already gave him a private workout at the beginning of March, the day after his Pro Day, and this follow-up would show the team is very interested. Collier will work out Meriweather again, something he couldn’t do if the Hurricane was going to go to Gillette Stadium for an in-house visit."
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    Obviously this means BB has his eye on Nelson or Griffin.
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    i surely wasnt the 1 who kept saying Meriweather will catch our eye and coaches probably wont pass on him simply b/c his 1 issue

    ::sarcasm::

    anyways..like i've been saying. Meriweather = 2nd best safety whos in shadows because a 1 yr guy who got a few nice picks/hits is around.

    Meriweather has very similar skills to Nelson but iwth better leadership, football experience and smarts. and PROVEN versatility..he played a lot of CB this year so his #s went down but hes played FS,SS, CB, ST..hes done it
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    Not necessarily. He could be sending down the DB coach instead of himself to send a smokescreen that he isn't that interested. BB has already done a private workout with Meriweather, so he could've made up his mind then that Meriweather is his man.
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    Didn't he have bad combine numbers? (Not saying it shows anything about his ability, just wondering.)
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    Let's be clear, if it weren't for character issues, he would be a top 16 pick. We'd happily be trading UP to 16 to get him. As it is, I would guess that he isn't even on our draft board.

    For those so interested in workouts, we should check what percentage of our picks have been brought in for private workouts.

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    he didnt have a bad combine..he didnt blow anyone away like Landry but he did alright..4.47 or something close but watching him at Miami over last few years and then at Senior Bowl is what will make him go top 25 wether its us or not
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    He wasn't impressive at all in the senior bowl.
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    Sure he was. And he did a little CB coverage in the practices and game and acquitted himself quite well for a Safety.

    I love Merriweather and I'm sure Belichick would like to get his Ed Reed. I just hope they aren't teasing us :)
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    There's a difference between doing something, and doing it well. I didn't see anything great from him or real good for that matter at the senior bowl. I never watch him play in Miami, but he didn't stand out at the senior bowl, and if you're going to compare someone to Ed Reed, I'm expecting that person to stand out. I say all this with a disclaimer, I never saw him play in Miami, so I'm just saying that's what I saw in the Senior bowl.
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    Can someone tell me if the character issues are solely the stomping in the FIU fight or are there some other things?
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    That's mostly it.
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    Agreed, he did look good in the Senior Bowl, the primary concern for most has been whether there are behavioral concerns that need to be weighed. We know there were incidents, we just don't know if there is a "lifestyle" that could lead to further incidents when he's a millionaire. If Meriweather and Nelson are being evaluated as CBs then the round one CB pool is four deep for talent with Hall and Revis. If he's "just" a FS then I can wait for the middle rounds.
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    he was very impressive..idk what u were watching. he shut down tight ends and made big hits all over


    he was a top 3-5 performer in practice/game during the Senior Bowl Week
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    There is another incident where he used a legally owned handgun to exchange fire with alleged robbers who shot a friend. No charges filed and public information says it was clear self-defense. Whether there is more information available beyond that I can't say. I'm sure the Pats have dug deep and have looked closely at the coach's tape of the FL Int game.
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    This SCREAMS smokescreen to me.
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    were in late round 1..theres no smoke screen here..stupid use

    its not like were trying to pretend we need Meriweather
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    I don't think the BB would waste time by sending Collier for another look if he was off the board
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    He may be smarter but Nelson blew him away at the combine. He's the clear cut number one for a reason. Still, would you rather have a smart player or a talented player. Devin Hester is talented but I can remember one more than one occasion him making a stupid play just because he tried to hot dog it, fumbling the ball, and giving it to the other team in excellent field position (by the way, Hester comes from "The U" too [I'm a Gator fan]). We have the smartest team in the league on average and it's done us really well. But I feel a safety should be gifted atheletically and Nelson had the better combine numbers so if he was available if I picked, I would take him.
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    Nelson ran like a 4.5 at the combine, just saying
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    Nelson was the leader of a National Championship defense. Meriweather wasn't even the leader of a complete letdown of a Miami team, and instead of acting like a leader, he went and stomped on some guy in a brawl. Not to say I think Meriweather will bust... just making sure you have the facts right.
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    OK....:explative
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    In the FIU game Meriweather tried stepping/stomping on someone after the fight had already broke out, but he was not one of the people who started the fight. The player he tried stomping on had attacked one of Miami's coaches, who tried breaking the fight up. For those who wonder he's not the helmet guy, that was someone else.

    The shooting that took place was rather unfortunate. Someone robbed and shot Meriweather's roommate, then Meriweather returned fire at the robber (but didn't actually shoot anyone), with his legally owned gun. As you said it was clear self defense, and the police said Meriweather acted legally. He was not arrested, and he hasn't been for anything, that I know of. He also hasn't tested positive for any substances, is said to be a team leader in the field, good lockerroom guy, and the coaches all loved him. I think he gets a bad rap for being in some bad situations, but I don't think he's actually a bad seed.
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    You mean Landry blew him away at the combine, right? Nelson didn't blow anybody away at the combine. Also, for those who don't remember there has been some question as to Nelson's ability to digest a complex defense, and playbook. He doesn't have Meriweather's tackling ability either, and isn't as good against the run. They are almost the same exact size, as well.
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    Please, people.

    If Meriweather was a sure thing, BB wouldn't have sent anyone.
    If Meriweather was eliminated from consideration, BB wouldn't have sent anyone.

    Clearly, there are things they liked, and there are some unanswered questions that they want answered.

    BB's mind may seem mystical to some, but I've always found him to be very straightforward. He says what he means. If he doesn't want to say something openly, he's evasive or non-committal... but he's never lied or postured. He plays by the rules, but he understands how they are enforced and streaches the rules he doesn't like to their maximum extent. He plays all the loopholes he can find.

    Anyone who sees the Meriweather scouting as proof of his intent to draft would be a fool. Anyone who thinks this is all an act... I think you're giving BB too much credit. Do you really think that other teams would change their draft behavior based on the fact that he sent an assistant coach to Miami? And do you think BB would be so obsessed with what other teams think he's going to do to send one of his guys off on a boondoggle?
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    Exactly, this doesn't mean they are for sure going to draft him, but it does mean they likely have at least some interest in drafting him, and would like to give him another look before they make up their minds. They could see something they don't like this second time around, and drop him off their board, or he could impress them and move up their board. None of us will really know until draft day.

    it does seem they are interested in drafting a Safety, which I like. I really like that they gave Josh Gattis a workout, as well.
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    okay..definatley blew him away at combine when he only ran the 40 and he ran 4.51 while Meriweather ran a 4.47

    he might of done better on pro day but not at combine and pro day #s can be crazy at times. forget workouts

    who clear cut #1 guy? Nelson isnt the best safety..hes 2nd-3rd best.

    would i rather have a smart player or talented player? Um why not both in Meriweather?

    Meriweather starts: 1 as freshman(had a medical 1st yr), 7 starts as soph, 11 starts as junior

    2005 stats:
    BM : semi finalist thorpe award. in 11 games: 115 tackles, 13 for loss, 7 breakups, 1 sack, 2 FF, 1 FR. won Hard Hitter Award. team leader in tackles

    RN: 4 starts, 46 tackles, 1 FF, 1 INT, 1 breakup

    2006 stats:
    BM : 57 tackles 8 breakups, 1 INT (he played quiet af ew games at corner)
    RN: 51 tackles, 5 breakups, 6 INTs

    career:
    BM: 50 games, 259 tackles, 25 deflections, 7 INTs
    RN: 25 games, 97 tackles, 6 deflections, 7 INTs

    Nelson had 1 good year..1 of full year of starting experience. Nelson has been said to be a little "stupid" and thats why he left school early..because hes not a classroom guy and i've read reports saying its tough for him to recognize offenses well and read offenses

    Mayock and few of us agree: Meriweather is the best cover safety in the league. Meriweather is better against run, they both hit hard and make plays..i'll give Nelson some playmaking credit but no way is he as smart of a player, as good in cover or against run. Its his INTs that catch your eyes..not much else besides a few hits here and there.

    Nelson
    ^his negatives..his positives were: speed, ballhawking and big hits

    Meriweather positives:
    negatives: the incident, bulk, reckless style of play,
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    Nelson was not the leader. The leaders the front 7. never did i read Nelson is a team leader like Rodney Harrison is for us. I've seen leaders look gulity at times..Harrison is / was considered the dirtiest player..so i guess hes not leader material because dirty play is for losers.

    being part of championship team does not make u a leader. i guess Dexter Reid is a leader aswell..Maquise Hill.

    or you mean guys that contributed? I doubt Gay/Samuel were leaders...i can add more

    who are our team leaders? please mention the words Richard seymour and this dicussion is OVER

    Seymour stomped on Tarik glenn...Meriweather stomped on an FIU player.

    whats the difference? Is Seymour a thug? Is Seymour a terrible leader? Does Seymour have character issues? i dont think any of us really saw Sey stomp but everyone saw the replays of Miami-FIU game so thats why it got so publicized
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    BB & SP always has us coming and going...I saw the senior bowl I thought he was the better safety out there....I admit I haven't seen him play other that game....But I do like what I saw...Maybe this smoke screen is in which way you look at it...
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    I thought he had a great Senior Bowl. To be honest that Senior bowl is what caught my eye about this kid.
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