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Chris Sims ranked him as the 5th best CB in the NFL.No he doesn't. He is an above average corner at this point. He has a ways to go to be a probowl corner.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Chris Sims ranked him as the 5th best CB in the NFL.No he doesn't. He is an above average corner at this point. He has a ways to go to be a probowl corner.
Disagree. His play against Beckham was as good as it gets, with the exception of that first pass. Even Pro Bowl corners aren't perfect. Other than that Butler was close to perfect. Not just the numbers, look at how he played. Beckham caught three total against Butler, including that first ball; Butler knocked down three other passes and stayed in Beckham's hip pocket through some good moves. When Beckham made his catches against Butler the tackling was great, immediate and vicious. Go watch the NFL Films clip of their battle (link early in this thread).No he doesn't. He is an above average corner at this point. He has a ways to go to be a probowl corner.
My dog would give better ratings than Chris SimmsChris Sims ranked him as the 5th best CB in the NFL.
You should give him/her a podcast it would be a big hit...My dog would give better ratings than Chris Simms
I understand fans overrate players on their own team, so I know where this is coming from, but pro bowl corners don't need 'except that one play' making allowing over 100 yards a great day.Disagree. His play against Beckham was as good as it gets, with the exception of that first pass. Even Pro Bowl corners aren't perfect. Other than that Butler was close to perfect. Not just the numbers, look at how he played. Beckham caught three total against Butler, including that first ball; Butler knocked down three other passes and stayed in Beckham's hip pocket through some good moves. When Beckham made his catches against Butler the tackling was great, immediate and vicious. Go watch the NFL Films clip of their battle (link early in this thread).
Agreed that Butler needs to compile a larger body of work, but he's grown since week one and is now at an elite level. As long as he does not regress he is at a Pro Bowl level now. So far his arc continues on an upward path, there's no reason to expect him to start slacking off now.
What does Chris Simms, top 5 and Tom Brady have in common?You should give him/her a podcast it would be a big hit...
Mehta: Revis starting to show cracks vs. NFL's top receivers
While Butler rises Revis is slipping...
The play by Beckham was a great catch on a great throw, Butler had good coverage and he had safety help. Revis would not have stopped that play either. It was just a catch you tip your cap on. The issue that they let it go the distance when it should have been a 30 yard reception.I understand fans overrate players on their own team, so I know where this is coming from, but pro bowl corners don't need 'except that one play' making allowing over 100 yards a great day.
Look he's player pretty well all year. He still makes mistakes that are probably due to inexperience and he does get beaten more than an elite corner does. As I said he is above average but this probowl level talk is going to far.
Yes, and that does happen to Revis and every other CB as well.The play by Beckham was a great catch on a great throw, Butler had good coverage and he had safety help. Revis would not have stopped that play either. It was just a catch you tip your cap on. The issue that they let it go the distance when it should have been a 30 yard reception.
It's likely nobody will ever be better than Revis of 2009-2011 but the Revis since his knee injury is not head and shoulders above the rest. Revis is better than Butler today but I don't know if that will be true by the end of this season or next season.It's an interesting question, whether, right now, you'd rather have Revis and his contract or Butler and his contract. I still think Revis is better than Butler at this moment, but the trends are indeed moving in opposite directions. Don't know when Butler will pass Revis. Maybe not for a while. Maybe soon. But the difference in contract is enormous.
OK, if you think Butler had good coverage on that play then I understand why you are confused.The play by Beckham was a great catch on a great throw, Butler had good coverage and he had safety help. Revis would not have stopped that play either. It was just a catch you tip your cap on. The issue that they let it go the distance when it should have been a 30 yard reception.
Yup I think it's one of the only reasons Ted Ginn has a job...Yes, and that does happen to Revis and every other CB as well.
Nelson beat Revis last season on a very similar play where McCourty had the coverage over the top.OK, if you think Butler had good coverage on that play then I understand why you are confused.
How many 30+ passes up the sideline have you seen Revis allow?
How many times has Revis allowed 80 yard TDs but it was OK because he has safety help, so it wasn't his fault?
So exactly what was the defensive call that tells you McCourty was help, and not just that he reacted to the throw and left his assignment? Who gave you this inside info?
Yup I think it's one of the only reasons Ted Ginn has a job...
OK, if you think Butler had good coverage on that play then I understand why you are confused.
How many 30+ passes up the sideline have you seen Revis allow?
How many times has Revis allowed 80 yard TDs but it was OK because he has safety help, so it wasn't his fault?
So exactly what was the defensive call that tells you McCourty was help, and not just that he reacted to the throw and left his assignment? Who gave you this inside info?
Not true. Nelson beat Revis on a slant and took it to the house.Nelson beat Revis last season on a very similar play where McCourty had the coverage over the top.
I thought it was actually not a great throw, off target low and inside IIRC. That was a lot of what made it work out the way it did, Beckham's adjustment to make the catch turned him into open space and left McCourty throwing an inadvertent block on Butler.The play by Beckham was a great catch on a great throw, Butler had good coverage and he had safety help. Revis would not have stopped that play either. It was just a catch you tip your cap on. The issue that they let it go the distance when it should have been a 30 yard reception.
I am a fan of Butler. I'm not a fan of "everyone is the greatest because they are on our team so I will overrate them and ignore their flaws"Really not a fan of Butler are you?