Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Deus Irae, Jun 24, 2011.
Straightforward poll question to pass a little time.
Would cost too much, and the risk of paying for someone who will be out for the season in September is too high.
I would be really surprised to see him come back. I don't expect he has worked real hard on rehab this time around.
If we are looking at exJets, I'd have Shaun Ellis at the top of the list.
I voted no. His age, weight, and injury history are more than enough for me to steer clear. I'd rather give Brace and Love a chance to prove themselves.
I also agree that Shaun Ellis is a far more tantalizing option
Jenkins was a really disruptive presence....when he was on the field. He'd be worth a look for the right price. I don't know why you'd think he'd cost much, Andy. He has to know his value has crashed due his his injury history.
On the other hand Shaun Ellis is has been an excellent Dlman for many years. Nothing exceptional, but always very solid. Kind of like a Bobby Hamilton type. Now he might be more expensive.
While he'd be an upgrade short term, I think the long term value of the ability to keep a younger guy on the roster outweighs that. The Pats are already going to have to cut a few talented DL the way it is.
great..hey I got it!!! ..let's catch CANCER!!!
i say yes if he does not want to much, right now wilfork is the only true NT on the roster so i dont think he would be takeing anyones spot
I voted only to piss off the Jets, do not see us signing a negative influence who seems to be hurt more than he is healthy..
Let one of the youngsters develop as previously stated...
Never going to happen.
First, he hates the the Pats. He is one of the players out there who thinks the Patriots stole his Super Bowl ring by cheating. When the Jets had a rally, he said he hates "cheaters".
Second, he already said he only wants to play for a team who plays on natural grass. If he was willing to play on an artificial surface, he would probably return to the Jets.
Third, the guy has torn two ACLs in two years (three for his career). He is done.
I believe its actually at least 4 ACL tears. I might be wrong but I thought he tore it in back to back seasons with the Panthers also.
On the surface you can see some value as it would allow us flexabilty to Use one of Wilfork or Jenkins at end on run downs. Jenkins would be better served playing a smaller role. But in the end he is old, injury prone, and plays a position that is the same as our best defender. We are better off finding an actual end which we may have in Stroud.
I know we are lacking a true NT behind Vince but we do have several DTs who could potential fill in with Brace topping that list IMO but also wright and Pryor. Truth is without Vince we might be pushed even further toward 4-3.
I think he ruptured a bicep one year. He did have back to back years of being placed on IR in Carolina like he did in NY, but unlike NY, his injuries in Carolina were not both ACL tears.
Subject to health clearance and cost, sign the beast. Yes we have young players but if Jenkins can be near what he was, he would be worth a small cap hit.
Then you would be able to move Big Vince around more- any team has to account for Vince or pay the price.
Key words being " Small Cap Hit" ......
Jenkins wouldn't play for Pats unless he was going to get a good pay day...MONEY would be about the only thing that would change his mind about liking the Pats.....and It AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN !!
If he would sign a veteran minimum deal with incentives yes. However he won't and somebody will offer him a couple of million on the upside.
Great as he was I vote no, two major injuries and two lost seasons at his age is too much to really come back from, and i doubt he would be motivated that much by being a back-up.
I don't see it happening but i still like the idea of using the two firsts from next year for Ngata. Ngata is a true impact player and with him the Patriots would have a DL that OL's would have absolute fits with, freeing up the LB's to get after the passer while also giving them a dominant run defense. The Patriots would still have plenty of ammo for the next draft despite the loss of the firsts and i think Ngata would do for the defense what Moss did for the offense. Additionally it would be a serious blow to the Ravens defense, and they don't have the offense that can carry a team, making their demise more likely.
Has anyone actually ever given up 2 first round picks for a teams franshised player?
Right I remember that now. He has to be the only one then right?
Ngata is overrated. Over his last 3 years, here are his pressure totals (sacks+hits+hurries):
Care to guess which one of those was in his contract year? Assuming that he gets his big contract this season, he's going right back to relative sloth mode.
he is past his time. He is very injury prone. I rather groom a rookie w/ a cheaper price tag than an injured diva who will eat cap space. No thank you.
Must.....sign....all.......big.....name....players....to......huge......contracts. Can we still get Merriman? Reggie Bush will shine in NE!!!!!!!!! McNabb will teach Brady how to be professional. Plax will stretch the field. Krafty is shopping....cue the duckboats....$200K champagne is on the way........Who needs rings, Brady designing solid gold manpurses for his "guys."
Keyshawn Johnson, lets just say they won a SB despite this stupid move.
Good to see the poll is trending for the No's. Jenkins is old, expensive, hurt and a Jet. The worst of all possible worlds.
Why would you expect him to be expensive?
I am not sure. Kris Jenkins made $2.25 million last season and was slated to get $5M. He can probably get between $2 and $2.5 million from somebody who needs help up front. Experienced D-Linemen command decent money as free agents - especially NTs. Maybe I'm wrong about that given his age. How much do you think the Pats would pay him if he made the team?
Given that he's left his knees on the field in the past 2 seasons, and only played 7 games during that time, I'd expect an incentive laden contract with a low base salary.
He's had an interesting career. 3 complete seasons, followed by 2 seasons lost early (5 games total), followed by 3 complete seasons, followed by his past 2 seasons (7 games total).
That suggests three great years ahead for Jenkins. He's a three time pro-bowler and been a winner everywhere he's been. If the price is right, bringing him in could be a good move. I still like the idea of making a major run at Mathias Kiwanuka if his neck is surgically repaired. He's the right combination of OLB and DE with speed and a nose for the QB.
Kirwan's take on Ngata:
Haloti Ngata, Ravens: Might be the second-best interior defensive lineman in the NFL after Suh. Ngata is an absolute force against the run and is improving as a pass rusher. He runs like a guy half his size and the Ravens move him all over their defensive front.
Ngata is clearly respected by his peers and has been an exceptional player in his time in the NFL, where you come up with the idea that he is a "sloth" is beyond me as i have never heard anyone ever suggest anything like that.
The word "relative" is important. He was taking plays off all the time in 08 and 09. I thought it showed in his run defense, but you can't give a number for that (unless you're PFF, of course:lol2. But the pressure numbers show it too. It's not like he's gotten stronger or more athletic since 08, he just finally started trying on every play. After he gets his big contract, he can go back to being a 20 pressure guy, rather than a 30 pressure guy, because he'll still show enough flashes of greatness to make people forget about the plays where he looks more like Dan Klecko than a 2-time Pro Bowler. He's got all the talent in the world, but he sure doesn't have Wilfork's motor.
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